Bring It On: Where's Karl? -- The Political Shell Game

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Where's Karl? -- The Political Shell Game

OK, ready, is he here, here or here? Nope, sorry pal, you lose -- better luck next time! OK, one more time :shuffle: is he here, here or here (Moxie, please don't smack me for the last link)? See, you have to be quick.....you lose again!

Hey, how 'bout something different? Wanna play the Tom DeLay Shell Game or how about the Downing Street Memo Shell Game?

This is all just an elaborate shell game being played by the Bush administration to distract all of us from the corruption that is brewing in the White House cauldron. Whatever happened to Bush taking his time to nominate someone?

Keep your eyes on the ball people this is all going to move real fast!

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Television (paid advertizing and the "news") clearly frames all issues and hold a dominating control over the voting public. This must be our focus. Then the issue becomes how to do this.

1. Entertaining video: Have spectacular confirmation hearing questions in the style of Senator Boxer or amazingly "shocking" statements made by Howard Dean that begin the discussions. The media loves video bites.

2. Bring issues to the attention of the MSM by way of the internet (when a majority of liberal sites are focused on an issue, MSM appears to address the issue if even for a moment) and make it easy for the MSM by condensing issue points into talking point format with adequate documentation to make the information objective.

Posted by: Livid | Jul 20, 2005 11:37:46 AM

Damn that is some microscope Bastard.

Kinda like this shell game:

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082198attack-us.html

Posted by: steve | Jul 20, 2005 11:43:40 AM

T.B., I'm working on a post right now that is very, very interesting. It's about how G.W. was responsible for Hurricane Emily striking Mexico not once but TWICE to deflect the Rove non-situation.

I'll try and get all the "Shell" game for this story over to you A.S.A.P. with all the good facts so you can post it.

Please let Moxie know that I'm working on this story so she can make a counter post leading up to how this very active Hurricane season has all been set up by G.W. Bush to deflect ALL stories about his administration from now through late October. And believe it or not I have a very good source that say's one of the Hurricane's in late August G.W. is scheduled to be a CATEGORY 5 Hurricane to deflect all questions from another 9/11 strike (just in N.Y) by terrorists. Matter a fact G.W. is trying to brew up a un-precidented CATEGORY 6 never seen by man kind before. Since Moxie is always 110% right I don't want ANYONE ELSE working on this story but HER!

TB, can see you are grabbing at straws again.

Posted by: TheChosenOne | Jul 20, 2005 11:50:55 AM

Gee thanks Steve!!! Really, can we move on? One supposed distraction has nothing to do with the other. I mean come on, why don't we just discuss how to get cum stains out of blue dresses.

It's amazing how the presidents remarks on people involved in the leak go from "anyone involved" to "anyone convicted."

He maybe should have chosen his words better but then again I don't think they ever thought they would ever be outted by one of those damn activist judges trying to get to the bottom of a felony. Or shit I picked a prosecutor that has no political ambitions!!!!

Come on steve, nexst time everyone knows, just use seltzer!!!

Posted by: The Bastard | Jul 20, 2005 11:53:04 AM

It looks like TheChosenOne is watching Fox News weather predictions again. Here go right to the source next time. But use them quick, Bush might want to shut them down for telling the truth!

Posted by: The Bastard | Jul 20, 2005 11:58:13 AM

True Bastard.... but it's well known every President plays the shell game. You have to respect someone in the most powerful seat in the world that can, wag the dog with the best of them.

I actually smirked this time at your comment. That is kind of funny that they "picked a prosecutor with no political ambitions." Republicans could actually vote Linda Tripp to office....

Posted by: steve | Jul 20, 2005 12:32:30 PM

Oh -- look steve -- I found Karl!!!!!

Posted by: The Bastard | Jul 20, 2005 12:37:33 PM

The perception that Libby or Rove are innocent men is false. The lack of willingness to be a man and come forward until he was an inch away from being outed by Cooper any way demonstrates what a weasely little slime he is.

The white House has shoveled as much onto the table as they can, to try and dig themselves out of the same story connected at all points: Was the Nation lied to to by right wing radicals in The Administration who may have manipulated intelligence and 9/11 fear to take America's sons and daughter to war in Iraq for Haliburton and defense contractor profiteering? who in doing not only weakened the effectivness of the war on terror but so went as far as possibly spying on the Seceraty of State to manipulate the intell and negotiations. And may have gone to greater lengths to threaten those that had the power to protect mainstream values.

That, and only that question, is why responsible leadership is asking to see the Ten NSA intercepts that Bolton may have used to spy on powell while working for Cheney.

That is why Rove and Libby are being investigated for leaking Plames name after Wilson came out and said that Cheney's office sent him to verify the report that Powell presented to the UN as the case for war that later turned out to be a forgery.

And that is why some one in the U.K. leaked the downing street memo, and Powell is said to oppose the Bolton nomination.

Picking a judge with a track record that makes his positions harder to define but certainly wraped abount life issues could easily distract the nation from investigating the way its fighting sons and daughters may have been abused by right wing radicals for money. It is ever more important now to be vigilant and aware, do not be bullied by overloading agendas, push back and keep watch as they dig that hole deeper.

Posted by: Billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 12:53:26 PM

Don't you love the President's change in wording? "If anyone here is involved...they will be fired" to "If anyone committed a crime they will be involved".

Posted by: sally | Jul 20, 2005 1:10:11 PM

What does that mean? Logically it states that a person who committs a crime they will be involved. In what?

The investigation? The cover up? Framing other people? Determining their fate?

Posted by: pia | Jul 20, 2005 1:26:37 PM

Damn! I obviously didn't finish the sentence...Grrrrr!!

"Anyone involved will be fired" has turned into "Anyone who committed a crime will be fired".

Posted by: sally | Jul 20, 2005 1:59:05 PM

Well... surely you have to first be guilty of a crime. If you are involved in a crime but no one is found guilty of that crime then a crime actually didn't take place.

If you, for example were to pull into your driveway and a cop stops you and says, "Hey, you were speeding back there." But didn't give you a ticket for it, you weren't exactly guilty under because the cop didn't do anything about it.

I probably shouldn't be comparing the Rove thing to a traffic crime but Bush would be correct in both statements if one was found guilty of a crime or admitted guilt in a crime and was reprimanded for it, he'd both be involved and convicted.

Posted by: steve | Jul 20, 2005 2:02:54 PM

No Steve, I think your analogy is perfect because the Executive Branch just like a good cop is charged with serving and protecting the public by upholding and executing the law, and that means not turning a blind eye, not just to Rove but to every thing else on that same list. Your analogy logically should continue on to say that the enire police Dept of that town is corupt enough to keep even the good cops from talking.

Posted by: billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 2:14:58 PM

That, and only that question, is why responsible leadership is asking to see the Ten NSA intercepts that Bolton may have used to spy on powell while working for Cheney.

And that is why some one in the U.K. leaked the downing street memo, and Powell is said to oppose the Bolton nomination.

Picking a judge with a track record that makes his positions harder to define but certainly wraped around life issues could easily distract the nation from investigating the way its fighting sons and daughters may have been abused by right wing radicals for money. It is ever more important now to be vigilant and aware, do not be bullied by overloading agendas, push back and keep watch as they dig that hole deeper.

Posted by: Billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 2:22:12 PM

Oops sorry didn't mean to post the same thing twice

Posted by: Billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 2:23:27 PM

It's ALL a damned diversion and the Democrats are falling for it all; hook, line, and SINKER! As long as the Republicons can keep us all beating up on Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, and Judge Roberts, we can't be SELLING Liberal solutions to Conservative-created problems (and this country is sinking FAST because of a direct result of those problems).

The Republicons realize the Democrats will win BIG-TIME in '06, and '08, and beyond if the Democrats began pointing out how the NeoCons are selling America out to our cold war enemy, China, and the solutions to that, and the many other crises facing America right now. There is precious little time to attack the REAL issues, and we're losing our civil liberties so damned fast it is making my frigging head spin because of the Democrats' fixation with "Republicon bad guys".

We've got to wake up and smell the coffee NOW. If you don't think the Conservatives are smart enough to know how easy it is to bait the Dems and make them look like whiny, snivvely little, fingerpointing bitchers to "John Q. Public" again, then y'all have got another thing coming.

Do you think the average Joe, or Joan has the time in their busy days to study all the documents on Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, or Judge Roberts? Hell NO, they DON'T (unfortunately). To them, it just sounds like the Democrats are whining again as usual.

Why let the Republicons dictate the talking points memos for the DNC like that? It's suicidal.

Posted by: Gun-Toting Liberal | Jul 20, 2005 2:29:56 PM

Steve, I guess that change in wording did not faze you!

This admistration has made a BIG BIG point that were not like the previous administration...any hint of impropiety will not be tolerated by this administration. This was said in the early weeks of this administration and a few weeks ago Scottie McClellan said, "If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.".

Now Bush says "If anyone in this administration committed a crime they will be fired".

What was it, the Republicans HATED how Clinton's administration split hairs when they referred to ethics...seems Bush is doing that now. Next Rove will not be technically in the administration.

Posted by: sally | Jul 20, 2005 2:51:38 PM

GTL your absolutely right, I agree on all the points you just made, but in particular this one,

"Do you think the average Joe, or Joan has the time in their busy days to study all the documents on Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, or Judge Roberts? Hell NO, they DON'T (unfortunately)"

I myself did not, I did not have the time to read all of the stuff back in 2003 either, I did not actually understand how all of this glued together under Downing Street and Jack Straw until Rove confessed and libby connected the office of Dick Cheney along with Powell through Bolton and I started looking around for what people had written two years ago and I saw a constellation for the first time.

And while I want to zoom in and get a better look at what I see, I understand that progressives cannot focus all of their attention in untangling history because then we can not ensure the future that way. Which is also part of dictating the agenda.

In fact this Majority congress in many ways lets china itself dictate its policies for the whole world, whether with regard to trade or the UN, or UNWPF, its sick really.

I need conservatives to see that these guys are not conservatives at all but rather right wing conformist radicals preping the country for one, "Red," party rule that is prepared to legislatively dictate moral values (something only an individual can ultimately dictate for oneself) and that they are willing to lie, cheat steal, or what ever it takes to impose it. Which is why I believe it is important to go forward as you are sugesting but on multiple fronts: here are the problems, now this is the solution etc.

Additionally we cannot reward the right for jamming up the agenda by losing track of it. We must stay on top of the Bolton, Rove, Trade, relations, they are hoping we will drop everything for the nomination and we'll forget in the proscess, we can't do that, we need to stay smart enough handle buisness and innovate it at the same time.

Posted by: billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 3:45:53 PM

Isn't it great that the right controlls the main stream media. Thank you Ted!!!!

You have helped get the Rove Non-Scandal off the front page!

It's a great time to be an evil conservative!!!

Posted by: Vulture 6 | Jul 20, 2005 4:41:55 PM

I might actually be agreeing with something a little... WTF?

I wouldn't go that far BYOC about calling them right wing conformists dictating moral values though, whether Bush and Rove were Republicans or Democrats they'd all be playing the game of "cover your ass". I don't see this being a partisan issue but what Rove may or may not have did is what you guys in the "blue" or the media have already decided. We can't go around saying someone is not innocent with speculation reported by the media.

Posted by: steve | Jul 20, 2005 4:48:59 PM

The scumbags have been unaccountable up till now.

-They destroyed the candidacy of John McCain in 2000 with lies (and FWIW, his ass smooching of this crows has written him off forever, AFAIC.)

-They destroyed our military capabilities by telling lies to get us into Iraq.

-They destryoed the career of an undercover CIA operative, and they are still destroying her husband, for nothing more than telling the truth.

-They destroyed the candidacy of John Kerry with monstrous lies.

-Der Rovesmarschall has gotten by with more than one crime, in case we forget about how he bugged his own office and tried to blame a political opponent for it.

-They have gotten by with denying American citizens the right to attend meetings paid for with their own tax dollars, and they have gotten by with paying off pundits to release "news" and "op-ed" favorable to them. Hell, they've even gotten by with hiring a prostitute to be a White House "reporter."

I'd guess they are at least fairly confident that they'll get by with anything else they want to do.

Posted by: JollyRoger | Jul 20, 2005 4:50:03 PM

Listen Steve, you may not call the, "Reds," right wing conformists dictating moral values, because they are great at playing the game of "cover your ass." and your willing to accept it and thats fine but...

When Roved copped to being the leak after all of the denials, he made it clear that he was derilict in helping the investigators resolve a matter of national security (who was the leak) A true patriot would have fessed up right away and saved the tax payers all that money. And he only fessed up when he knew he was probably caught hardly the mark of integrity. But now that he has he has provided the missing links, if your party wants to clear its name it should hand over the Bolton intercepts and prove the case otherwise. I mean if there is really nothing there you can make us look like maniacs yet agian and get Bolton confirmed with out having to impose him against the will of our representatives in congress. Hell, the White house is derelict again in not providing the paperwork to move the process along so their guy can go to work with a clean slate.

Posted by: Billion Year Old Carbon | Jul 20, 2005 5:51:58 PM

Still waiting for the shit to hit the fan. When it does, it'll be ugly. Why do the repubs accept the immoral, unethical, and downright criminal behavior from their own leadership? The GOP should gather together and ask for resignations and indictments all around. until then, expect no one to respect the GOP.

Posted by: windspike | Jul 20, 2005 6:41:21 PM

windspike,

Obviously the radical right believes in getting whatever they want regardless of the means involved. This means more money and power for the wealthy class even if they need to pay some tribute to the religious...

Posted by: Dr. Forbush | Jul 20, 2005 7:30:31 PM

But Dr. Forbush, aren't there liberals in the wealthy class too?

Posted by: steve | Jul 20, 2005 7:39:41 PM

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