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Tuesday, August 30, 2005
What Is An Average Muslim?
Stumbled across this little ditty over at Wizbang. It is a post about the suspected terrorists rounded up in Lodi a few weeks ago. I say suspected because, unlike some people, I still believe someone is innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.
Anyway, this writer comments that,
This is exactly why so many people -- myself included -- tend to be suspicious of the average Muslim.
and that sparked my curiosity about what exactly is an "average" Muslim? Is your "average" Muslim the same as your "average" Evangelical Christian? A little stereotypical, don't ya think?
The writer then goes on to state,
These people chose in favor of their faith, and against this nation. And I hardly think that this case is an aberration.
Well, if that's the case than I think these people also chose in favor of their faith and against their nation. Again, I put my question in front of you, what is an average Muslim? Or for that matter what is your average Evangelical Christian?
I guess the point I am trying to make is that your average Muslim and your average Christian are law abiding American citizens. These people that allegedly perpetrated these acts in Lodi are not your average anything. They are anything but average. I do have one other question though, how come if a Muslim blows something up they are refereed to as a terrorist but if a Christian blows something up they are refereed to as just a bomber?
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Please don't be more of a twit than absolutely necessary.
What is an average Muslim? In Lodi, California, it's one that thinks it's worse inform for the FBI on alleged members of Al Qaeda than it is to be a member of Al Qaeda.
Tell ya what: when the death toll from Evangelical Christians killing innocents starts approaching triple digits (over, say, a five-year period) in the name of Jesus, then I'll start getting concerned. Right now, they're mildly annoying at best, and easily ignored if one so chooses.
And McVeigh wasn't an "Evangelical Christian." He was a white supremacist. He wasn't motivated to make the world better for Jesus, he was looking to start a race war.
And before you get to him, Eric Rudolph was an athiest.
Just to be a bit nit-picky, the average Muslim is NOT a "law-abiding American citizen." Most Muslims aren't Americans. Now, if you meant "average Muslim American," I might agree with you. Because what the Muslims of Lodi did wan't illegal. Just despicable.
Of course, every time another leader of CAIR gets indicted for supporting terrorism, that kinda lowers that average a bit...
J.
Posted by: Jay Tea | Aug 30, 2005 4:25:22 AM
I'm curious, are these people athiests? Because the last I checked (just now) this is the group Eric was part of. And I don't think I said McVeigh was a Christian, he is linked to "bomber" but I don't think I said "McVeigh is an Evangelical Christian". Did I?
The Muslim religion is the largest growing religion in the United States. Anyone born here is American. Do you have figures to back up your statement. I really wish when people make statements like that they would link to something because how can I trust you, I don't even know you. For all I know you could be an average Muslim.
Posted by: The Bastard | Aug 30, 2005 4:49:07 AM
Hmm... I may be mistaken on Rudolph. But I don't see a great number of Christians defending him, or belittling his offenses. I see a few extremists, well outside the mainstream, backing him or pooh-poohing his crimes.
But what I don't see are summer camps named in his honor.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/827
What I don't see are people denouncing the cop who arrested him.
What I don't see are people saying "what he did was wrong, but he was driven to it by the horrible things the government has done to his fellow Christians."
And as far as Islam being the fastest growing religion in the US? Doesn't change a thing to me. People can be just as wrong in large groups as they can be as individuals.
J.
Posted by: Jay Tea | Aug 30, 2005 5:57:27 AM
Well I'm sure if I dig hard enough I will find something named after him. But people do idolize him
Yet many mocked the government's inability to root Rudolph out, and he inspired two country-western songs and a top-selling T-shirt that urged: "Run Rudolph Run." A $1 million reward offer from the government went unclaimed.
And some even call him a hero.
And as far as the cop isconcerned, I wouldn't worry about him. The fact that the local townies knew where here was and a $1 million dollar reward goes unclaimed says it all.
And I only pointed out that Muslim is the largest growing religion because that would mean that many are Americans and just like Christians are not extremists like Rudolph. So the stereotype of your average Muslim is a little off.
Posted by: The Bastard | Aug 30, 2005 6:50:28 AM
God, someone finally hasthe sense to mention this. Good post, The Bastard. Oh and Islam isn't the fastest growing religion (in the US anyway), it is Wicca.
It bothers me that every Muslim who does wrong is a terrorist, but a Christian person who does the same thing is just misguided. Isn't that wrong? Terrorism is the act of inducing terror. Nowhere in the definition of terrorism does it say a terrorist must be muslim
Posted by: Sheila | Aug 30, 2005 12:44:32 PM
Damn, I can't believe I fell for that old trick. Even that blowhard Bill O'Reilly knows it -- "you don't excuse bad behavior by citing other bad behavior."
The citation of the Eric Rudolph case is utterly irrelevant to this discussion. As is whether or not Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country. The issue is simple: is it a cause for concern that a Muslim community is more shocked and concerned about an FBI informant being in their midst than a terrorist? And why did it take an outsider to bring the terrorist to face justice?
It's that simple. Everything else you've tossed up is just obscuring the basic facts and trying to avoid the basic issue. This community in Lodi is utterly typical and average, and refused to report a terrorist in their ranks. And once that terrorist was exposed and is being brought to trial, their biggest concern is "who ratted him out."
That is not the conduct of loyal Americans. That is not the conduct of good citizens. It is the conduct of those who hold the government, the law, the nation, and the people in contempt and place greater weight in showing loyalty to their co-religionists, regardless of those people's own extremist views and danger to the nation as a whole.
And those who would justify or rationalize their conduct by citing other cases where people may have done similar things are just as despicable.
J.
Posted by: Jay Tea | Aug 30, 2005 5:46:55 PM
