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New Video: 2000
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A presentation from "Bring It On! of a powerful statement of where we are in the reality of the world that Bush has created. Sigh... Torture, Treason, Corruption, Lies and Incompetence... By their works you shall know... The Republicans 2000 - 2008 [Read More]
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This is AMAZING.
Chills down my arms.
Posted by: MoxieGrrrl | Sep 30, 2005 6:30:36 PM
Nicely done, you Bastard. Keep up the great work.
Posted by: Brad | Sep 30, 2005 7:01:30 PM
Excellent. A must-see.
Posted by: Tom Harper | Sep 30, 2005 9:13:55 PM
Wrong Bastard! Did you ASK a single one of the 2000 killed or the 100,000 plus still over there if you could use there pictures? Did you ask the Clinton administration whom all believed "THE LIES" why they were so wrong? Did you ask the United Nations whom believed all "The LIES" why they voted to remove "Saddam".
Last but not least is the only "LIE" is the "LIE" within YOURSELF Mr. B.
Moxie, Brad, and Tom R.I.P. you are fighting a losing cause NOT OUR SOLDIERS!
Posted by: Treason | Sep 30, 2005 10:19:15 PM
Wow again! Great work Bastard!
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Sep 30, 2005 10:43:35 PM
Oh PLEASE, treason...
Did anyone ask Terri Schiavo if they could plaster her sad face all over THEIR websites?
Until right-wingers stop doing the same damn thing, go try using that stupid arguement somewhere else.
Posted by: MoxieGrrrl | Sep 30, 2005 11:18:05 PM
PS: Is that RIP some kind of threat? Just asking for clarification.
Posted by: MoxieGrrrl | Sep 30, 2005 11:19:33 PM
Ughhh, Treason, public access? Look it up.
And the Clinton thing, please. Bush Sr. should have finished this war years ago but he was just as stupid as his son, shit, what goes around comes around!!!!
Or in other words, shit doesn't fall far from the ass!!
These men are dead on the lies presented. Give me evidence of Iraq involved in 9/11 and I'm with you. Otherwise sit down and shut up!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 1, 2005 1:35:53 AM
This is a great video Batard, you should up-load it to putfile.com, or yousendit.com. To spread the message alot faster.
Posted by: john | Oct 1, 2005 4:03:10 AM
cranky and Bastard great video, you guys should upload the video to putfile.com or yousendit.com. So others can view the video that don't know about bring it on. Putfile has a top 50 videos of the week if you get on the top 50 alot more people are going to know this site.
Posted by: john | Oct 1, 2005 4:05:03 AM
Treason : Some basic Maths.
Treason : "Mr. Clinton, did you fuck that woman?"
Clinton : "No."
=
Shame, indecency, semen stains and moral outrage.
Treason : "Mr. Bush, are there WMD in Iraq?"
Bush : "Absolutely, positively."
=
Over 2000 dead Americans, and over 50,000 dead Iraqis.
Are you a religious person Treason? Casue if you are I'd seriously suggest you look deep within yourself when you realise what it means to suggest infidelity is worse than mass murder.
Posted by: truelies | Oct 1, 2005 6:29:38 AM
mr. treason:
i don't think these men and women care any longer whether or not permission was asked. closer to your side of things, has anyone asked their permission when their photos or memories are invoked in support of the war?
to keep this simple, let's just say Clinton and the UN believed the same lies, and promulgated them. the only point worth mentioning is that they did not send people to die on behalf of those lies, and did not continue to send people to their deaths once the lies were exposed for what they are.
and by the way, did any of the people you support ask the Iraqis for permission to bomb the living fuck out of their country, invade it, turn it into a guerrilla-training theater and kill and maim an uncountable number of their men, women and children.
and then have the whatever to continue doing it for years, and with no evidence whatsoever of any positive outcomes, all based on the supposed need for some ill-defined "terror war" and this deadly nonsense about staying the course?
i'm really tempted to call you nasty names. i don't know why i hold back . . . seize on that if you bother to reply, because the rest of your point is indefensible.
do you realize your support is helping to kill people? are you aware that you cannot think, but only follow?
Posted by: fortycalibernap | Oct 1, 2005 6:56:53 AM
Fortycali took my comment. MR. Clinton did not sign off on the use of massive force because he understood the cost of "regieme change" by military force is not worth it in this case. So while it is fair to say he believed that Saddam Hussein should be removed from power by the Iraqis, he did not believe we should invade the country without UN authority.
Mr. Clinton also did not engineer evidence to support his position and discard any evidence (or person) who disagreed with the offical position - We must invade Iraq. Even today your PResident insists on linking it to 9/11 in an obvious attempt to get people with small brains (ahem) to by into a reason to lose the folks in that picture.
Our guys are doing a great job, to bad our government isn't.
Posted by: The Cranky Liberal | Oct 1, 2005 10:53:27 AM
Wow, I almost wish in a sense that I hadn't seen this one. It was great! But with my son there it is just too much. I think that this needs to be a TV spot. I am sure that there has to be some way to raise the money to run it. If it is though, at the end it needs to say IMPEACH!! Thanks so much. Right now I am so sick of seeing his disaster photo ops that I can't even watch the news any more. I was looking at the news yesterday and just to cover the stuff that has happened in the past week would take a week to write. Sorry for rambling.
Posted by: JC | Oct 1, 2005 11:12:43 AM
This is why we are at war for all you loose minded bandits:
President Bush:
Thursday September 27,2005
"The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole," Bush noted, after getting an update on the war on terror at the Pentagon.
"The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us," the president added, in quotes picked up by United Press International.
Four of the six terrorist attacks cited by Bush took place on Clinton's watch, with the first two coming during the presidencies of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.
Hmmmm. Short memories you people have.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 1, 2005 2:32:19 PM
To Treason:
The problem here is that you are trying to reason with people with some extremist thought processes. They don't care what we think or what the other half of America thinks. We're all a bunch of idiots in their minds. They have a one-sided view of Bush and that's that. There is no middle ground or even a positive thought with the man in their eyes. That's heartbreaking. Personally I don't think any of the authors on this site are idiots. Some of their readers, well maybe but an extremist is not going to come back to the center or even lean slightly our way. Not gonna happen with these folks. The only hope is that more of us stop in and point out things to them. Sometimes though, there really is no sense in arguing because there will be no victory with them.
Moxie is correct on the usage of the pictures but I wonder if Roger Waters and David Gilmore know they reproduced a Pink Floyd song for a political message. Seems the Boss was pretty pissed when Reagan's Campaign used "Born in the USA" for obvious reasons... Imagine if it were a Metallica song and Lars knew about it. We'd have to hear that whiny runt talk about it.
Bastard:
You are obviously a highly intelligent and skilled person. Same with you Cranky since your name is on the movie. The movie does nothing however to advance your goals but only points out what has happened. There is no change only in the matter of wanting Bush out. We're a Democracy and it is an inevitablity that change will occur in this country if it gets too far out of whack one way or another. You are just promoting criticism and that's it.
What your video doesn't point out is which of the dead soldiers re-enlisted knowing full well the war was either coming or ongoing. It sucks when anyone has to die this way, in a war. But I feel your video makes out that these people died in vein or are all dead anti-war people who didn't want to be there.
Posted by: steve | Oct 1, 2005 4:28:33 PM
Found the vid on a tip from Moxie Grrrl. Will be linking up - nice job!
Those that are angered by the video maker would do well to place that anger toward the persons responsible for putting our troops in harms way.
Ironically, 2K is the year that this madness all started with a stolen election.
Posted by: windspike | Oct 1, 2005 4:34:13 PM
Moxie said: "PS: Is that RIP some kind of threat? Just asking for clarification."
No Moxie that would not be a threat. It's a blog for Christ sake. Smile, your an outstanding person doing what you believe in no different then I. Just two different points of view. And yes, I do respect your opinion no matter how warped it is. Please keep on making me think and laugh.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 1, 2005 5:08:49 PM
Windspike, still crying over an election that was won fair and square I can see. That's your first problem and if you can't get over that then there is no help for you with any other issue. And I'm not angered at the film maker. It just disgusts me that he/she takes advantage of people whom believe in what they are fighting for. If they didn't believe in what they were fighting for they never would have signed up in the first place. If they didn't believe in what they were fighting for then they would have found a way out of fighting.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 1, 2005 5:13:12 PM
Moxie, it was wrong for them to blast Terry Schiavo's picture all over there web sites. Just as it was wrong to hold a special session of congress over the issue. No, I don't believe in everything my party does.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 1, 2005 5:15:30 PM
“Treason” you bring up "the killing of American soldiers in Somalia" This is a short summary of the troops got to Somalia. Clinton did not send them there. Bush Sr sent them there. Second of all while Clinton was in office it was the republicans who were pushing to get them out. Thirdly, when Clinton send the troops back to Somalia? The GOP house opposed. So therefore, I find out how the GOP party today is the self proclaimed party of wariorrs, but the 1990s the GOP was the party of cowards.
The United Nations suspended its efforts at famine relief because of thievery and fighting. In late 1992, President George Bush sent 25,000 U.S. troops to Somalia for the express purpose of assuring the delivery of U.N. food, medicine and other supplies. http://www.netnomad.com/somcia.html
Statement of Republican Policy on U.S. Armed Forces in Somalia, Adopted April 1, 1993
U.S. military forces in Somalia have fulfilled the mission given them by President Bush. Republicans therefore call on President Clinton to bring our troops home.
The United States has a proud tradition of providing international humanitarian assistance to those truly in need. Somalia is a case in point. In the early 1980's, and again in the early 1990s, the American people and the U.S. Government responded to famine in Somalia by bringing in massive quantities of food and medical assistance.
In the last several months, as anarchy gripped that country and famine again loomed on the horizon, President Bush sent U.S. Armed Forces to Somalia to restore order and permit food to reach the people. He made a commitment to withdraw our troops when the mission was completed and return the operation to the U.N. This process was begun before he left office. The mission has been accomplished, but our troops remain, and it appears President Clinton has no intention of bringing them home. Instead, U.N. bureaucrats who want to keep the United States in Somalia will decide their fate.
Republicans commend our Armed Forces for restoring order to Somalia and for helping to alleviate human suffering in that country. However, we have several deep concerns. Without appropriate congressional consultation, President Clinton has committed thousands of U.S. military personnel to a U.N. peacekeeping operation commanded by a foreign national for an indefinite period of time. Our men and women in uniform will provide both the fighting teeth and the logistical tail for this open-ended operation.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r103:H06OC3-756:
Although no formal decision has yet been made, the Clinton White House is currently contemplating to dispatch a small military force back to Somalia.The United States, which abandoned Somalia last March after 18 Army Rangers were killed in Mogadishu, is reportedly being pressured by other Western powers who want protection for the UN peacekeepers in Somalia who are expected to withdraw from Somalia by March. Britain, France and Italy made commitments to provide security during the pull-out but US Ambassador Daniel Simpson said in Nairobi that no decision has been made regarding a future US military involvement in Somalia. Although the new Republican-controlled Congress may oppose further American involvement in Somalia, the real-politik of getting US troops out of Haiti may require US troops to be redeployed in Somalia as a sign of good faith to other major Western powers. The issue of redeploying US troops in Somalia was also mentioned in a recent edition of the US Army Times.
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Newsletters/SNU26.html
Posted by: Zero | Oct 1, 2005 6:47:16 PM
For once in your life, "steve", you're absolutely right. Nothing Bush does will ever be good enough for us.
We base this assumption on a full five years now of him fucking up every single thing he has touched. Do we need any more evidence to assume the worst from him?
Posted by: Brad | Oct 1, 2005 7:46:12 PM
Talk about polishing the brass on the Titanic. It doesn't mean people will automatically believe your nonsense, treason, if you just bitch loud enough. Silly stupid troll!
Posted by: Brad | Oct 1, 2005 7:49:04 PM
Treason, apparently our memories are longer than yours.
What part of all those terrorist attacks had anything to do with Iraq? According to congress, the UN, and a CIA report, absolutely nothing. Do you support the murder of American troops regardless of the veracity of their mission? That's what you're saying, "Support the troops!" even when you're sending them to certain death for no good reason. You're not a conservative, your just a moron waving a flag. Since when did being a Republican mean being blind and stupid? You can still be a Republican and use your brain AND support your president AND support your troops. It doesn't mean surrendering your brain and your individuality and independence though. Quite the opposite in fact.
When will conservatives in America wake up and realise that there is nothing "conservative" about irresponsible fiscal policy and massive spending, high domestic and foreign debt levels and overcommitment in foreign warzones? The Bush administration is the most socialist government Amreica has had in a long time. The only thing missing is the complete descent into fascism, but with poster boys like Steve and Treason it won't take long.
One nation, one people, one flag!
Posted by: truelies | Oct 1, 2005 10:52:47 PM
That's amazing Bastard, it really was. It brought tears to my eyes seeing all of those folks and even more tears when I found out it was only 500 of them. I swear to God that we should all go up to Washington DC and plant 1935 crosses out in front of the White House. I wonder how many bombs Bush would order dropped on us?
Treason: Go back to the shadows where you belong. Go back tReturn to your place in hell at the foot of your master's throne where you can await his return. He will return in 2009, when he is finished desecrating the White House.
Posted by: Joseph (Ok Liberal) | Oct 1, 2005 11:05:18 PM
Truelies:
Oh my God!!! Nice touch with the fascist statement. Yet, the extreme left's movement wants to control our minds and everything else like abolishing religion or let's see, taxing the hell out of the rich to sign more people up to welfare and instilling the sick thought of gay marriage and freedom of choice and killing an unborn child. And let me get this straight, Republicans and "conservatives" need to use their brains? Yet, we're all "Socialists" and the Bush Administration is the most "Socialist Government" America has ever had??? That's too funny.
And every single troop is doomed to certain death? And Treason is a moron waving a flag? Hmm... do you wave your country's flag, ever? Or are you busy mourning the loss of your country's troops that HAVE NOT died in battle or sitting on the sidelines of the world criticizing America?
Point being truelies is Treason and I want what everyone wants: Peace and not another dead soldier. Ok, can you comprehend that. And for the most part, some of the people writing these posts agreed with the war at first and then changed their minds when they thought it either wasn't going well or didn't like the President's reasoning for going to war. The problem is if they had their way, they'd take the troops home tomorrow. They'd pack the tanks up, and the planes and all the artillary machines up and bring them home.
The real problem though came in 2000. They don't feel Bush earned the job of President because he didn't win the popular vote. They'd prefer we'd have kept counting in Florida until Gore won. They wanted to go against the Constitution for it. There'd still have been a 9/11, some war in the middle east because of that and a Hurricane Katrina and our country still would have been fucked. I wonder what Gore's inaction would have been? I can only speculate...
Posted by: steve | Oct 2, 2005 10:53:29 AM
Steve... I didn't believe in the war, and marched with half a million other people from my country against it. 86% of the population was against it but George Bush has his penis so far up John Howard's anus apparently we're now inseparable as people. It's funny, cause I thought Bush didn't believe in Gay marriage. Australian troops are now largely in Iraq to protect our own civilians from the shitstorm that is now Iraq. Apparently we're not nearly as good as American troops at getting shot, we've only lost about 1 guy out of around a thousand. Pretty decent hit rate. I don't know if that's cause we're "Spineless" like the French, or just "Smart" like the British.
By the way, I never said anything about being Left wing. I fully agree with you that USA would still be fucked if Gore was President. The fact is nobody will ever know who really won in 2000 (let alone 2004) because your electoral system fails even the most basic international tests of accountability and transparency. It doesn't matter whether you believe in abortion or not, or gay marriage or not, you as a supposedly intelligent individual should not be comfortable sleeping at night knowing your electoral system is rubbish. You may be enjoying the fruits of that corruption today since your preferred party is in power - but it's just as likely tomorrow it could be a Democratic party that steals the white house. If they play the smoke and mirrors game with public "issues" nearly as adeptly as the Repubs do (come off it, do you REALLY think you've elected a 'good Christian'? ) they could just as easily ease into 'power'. Your leaders push buttons that control a machine they really don't understand, and when it comes down to it, basically don't actually control. Republican/Democrat is a lie and a diversion to keep people like you quiet.
The issue is about democracy. If you really believe in "fighting" for it then you'd put your partisan bullshit aside and do just that. You won today, but tomorrow you could be living under a left-wing dictatorship installed by exactly the same processes. If you think you're even remotely close to that today in America, you need your head examined. The world laughs at Americans who feel threatened by their own "left". The American left is a miserable little cat whimpering in the corner, occasionally getting beaten about by the right wing attack dogs who control your country.
In thirty years time people like you will be crying your eyes out, wishing you'd learned chinese and listening to all those "moonbat lefties" who told you shopping at Wal-Mart would kill your country.
Read the writing on the wall, if you can.
Posted by: truelies | Oct 2, 2005 1:18:03 PM
Oh brother...
Posted by: steve | Oct 2, 2005 3:01:09 PM
trulies said: "You're not a conservative, your just a moron waving a flag. Since when did being a Republican mean being blind and stupid?"
Your pretty brave sitting behind a computer to make a statement like this. I am a veteran and would be real happy to meet you some day face-to-face and see how brave you are with your remarks then.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 3, 2005 11:00:55 AM
Take it easy, Treason. People feel very strongly about all this. I can't for the life of me understand why any "conservative" would support this bunch - the war, the spending, the corruption, the one party state. I remember a time when conservatives were smarter than that. You all do seem blind to it all. Why?
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 3, 2005 12:34:53 PM
Nicely done ...
Posted by: quagmire | Oct 3, 2005 2:34:31 PM
Excellent video, now if it could be shown during the Super Bowl for maximum exposure.
Posted by: mtnbkrid | Oct 3, 2005 4:43:55 PM
Smart people and even not so smart people are begining to see the light. Sometimes you can see this in not so obvious evidence.
I wanted to point out to people that recuitment commercials on television have changed their course in a telling way.
I have now seen 2 recuiting commercials that depict young men who desire to enlist explaining to their parents why it is a good idea. And 1 in which a soldier is justifying his choice to his friends on a visit home.
This, to me, is evidence that the armed forces have become aware that parents and friends are now one of the main stopping blocks in convincing young people to join up. They are trying to assist potential soldiers by giving them arguments and showing them it is OK to join up against your parent and peers wishes.
I don't fault the armed forces. They need cogs for their machine and its tougher than ever to draw them in. I am merely pointing out an indicator that shows support for the "war" on "terror" is wavering.
The video is fantastic.
Posted by: DaveHimself | Oct 3, 2005 6:47:18 PM
Very very powerful and moving! Reminds me of the play, WHAT I HEARD ABOUT IRAQ (A Cry for 5 Voices)at The Fountain Theatre in Los Angeles.
The more we hear/see these cries, the sooner our cries will become shouts that become a roar that has to be HEARD!
Thank you!
Posted by: Simon Levy | Oct 3, 2005 6:50:47 PM
I commend you for the amount of work you put into this. Good lord. I've made a few videos using photos, but holy shit, 600+!??
Excellent work guys.
Are you guys taking donations?
Posted by: Fletch | Oct 3, 2005 11:32:47 PM
As a Canadian, living in the US,I had to send this to my children and friends in Canada, they are appalled that Americans were so brainwashed and bushwacked as to allow their children to be sent off to secure supplies of oil for the Bushies.....
I am sick.
Posted by: Priscilla Bode | Oct 4, 2005 12:06:17 AM
The true number of US dead from the attack on Iraq and the occupation is possibly between 4,000 and 9,000.
eg.
Number Of Iraq Casualties Is Double Official Figures
Says Puerto Rican Government - Over 4,000 US Dead
Coastal Post Online Article - July, 2005
http://www.coastalpost.com/05/07/03a_.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3328
9,000 Dead GIs In Iraq War?
US Military Report: The High Death Rates Exposed
By Brian Harring
Domestic Intelligence Reporter
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1654.htm
http://www.williambowles.info/iraq/2005/us_casualty_figures.html
Despicable Deception - DOD Body Count Fraud
By Ted Lang
http://www.rense.com/general66/decep.htm
Posted by: Alphonse | Oct 4, 2005 2:26:53 AM
Wow - I just now viewed your chillingly-real video - I found the link on a DailyKos open thread comment - it's the best thing I have seen on the subject - if it gets wide distribution, this horrific war will end. Thank you -
Posted by: DOT | Oct 4, 2005 8:44:15 AM
Truly compelling....Anyway to put a video of Mr. C. you know, Bill Clinton and all the women he's slept with and recieved blow jobs from? Might end up being a little longer then your current video but might get more air play.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 4, 2005 11:39:15 AM
Thanks for all the compliments everyone!!!! I'm in Ireland right now and have not been able to access the internet since I got here, but again thanks and keep forwarding it to whoever you can. This was not made to exploit our soldiers but to speak up for those that can't!!! As I keep saying "it sucks to be the last one killed in a war" so lets not make your son or daughter and end this shit now.
I do believe we have the radical right on the ropes, proof is to just look at the comment above this one. Fuck the discussion of the 500 killed this year lets talk about Clinton's blow job.
C'mon people are dying for what? So Haliburton and Bush can get richer.
Bring the boys home now!!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 4, 2005 1:09:23 PM
Bastard wrote: "I do believe we have the radical right on the ropes."
TB the "radical" right has always been on the ropes because of there extreme views. No different then the "radical" "far" left. Geez, your a smart one.
Bastard also wrote: "Fuck the discussion of the 500 killed this year lets talk about Clinton's blow job."
At least they, the soldiers know why and what they died for. Which is more then I can say for you and most of the others here.
I have no, none, zippo interest of talking about Clinton's blow jobs. I could care less. I'm glad he got all the blow jobs he could. Hope he's getting more of them to. Lord knows Hillary doesn't get the job done. I hope Moxie and Pia give him his next blow job. It would do all three of them good. All I was saying with my statement above is all your little video does is keep you and your liberal "radical"-"far" left cronies happy and satisfied! NO ONE else in the middle of the country gives a fuck what you have to say.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 4, 2005 4:03:40 PM
Bastard-
Very nice work on the movie. I hope that you can get a ton of exposure with this!
Posted by: Jimmy | Oct 4, 2005 5:45:25 PM
Treason shows the perfect reason why this country is so messed up. He is still worried that Bill Clinton got a blow job in the white house. Meanwhile Bush lies, starts a war, kills 2000 American men and women, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and considers Bush a freakin hero......How screwed up is that?
Posted by: mtnbkrid | Oct 4, 2005 8:09:31 PM
mtnbkrid:
About as screwed up wanting to reason with terrorists...
Posted by: steve | Oct 4, 2005 8:36:01 PM
first, there was never any proof of them trying to buy stuff to make nuclear weapons in Africa. in fact...it was proved they WEREN'T! Valerie Plames husband, a very credible source, searched and searched and found absolutely nothing. and then some dickhead exposed Plame and that whole damn operation, and Miller gets sent to jail?? yea she is in the wrong, but the dickhead that exposed everything gets nothing because hes like bff with Bush! and guess what happens the very next day! Roberts is nominated for the supreme court and all is forgotten. dumbass americans
Posted by: Alison | Oct 4, 2005 10:10:46 PM
Alison, Valerie Plames husband was and is a known Democrat contributor for years so don't give me this "credible" bullshit source. Plame outed herself if you actually did some reading when she voted using her "under cover" name. YOUR THE ONLY DUMB ASS bitch. You liberal pricks have proven absoulutley fucking nothing because all you people do is go on political witch hunts because you lost not one election but two Presidental elections, the House, Senate and Govenorships of this country. So in the future please keep your dumb ass comments to yourself.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 5, 2005 9:57:42 AM
An excellent video that really puts things into perspective. Imagine, all those valuable American lives lost, and for what. And let's not even talk about the innocent Iraqi's who have been killed, many of them young children. So we could plunder a country and Halliburton could go in and make a ton of money? Like what's happening in New Orleans? Anyone who still thinks that we went in there to fight terrorists, which is what the lie morphed to after the weapons of mass destruction lie was debunked, is really, truly not paying attention. Stop drinking the Kool Aid! Use the grey matter God gave you!! (if you can...)
Posted by: Callie | Oct 5, 2005 1:12:01 PM
I see Treason really enjoys the video!
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 5, 2005 2:04:10 PM
Steve, did you even read the article you linked to? NOWHERE does he talk about reasoning with the "terrorists"--the Arab world in general, yes. Terrorists, no.
And Treason, calm down. When you blow up like that and start attacking people that DID NOT attack you, you just look silly.
Posted by: Tracey | Oct 6, 2005 1:07:16 AM
Tracy, lets see....Alison calls me (and others) a "dumb ass americans" and you tell me to calm down? Then I look silly? Get a grip.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 6, 2005 9:56:47 AM
ok, so just because hes a democrat hes not a credible source?? Wilsons had strong relations with Africa for years. and whats happening to Kristof? hes the one who started that whole mess. and honestly, I could go either way politically, and I used to be republican, but Bush has really pushed me towards the liberal side because of all hes done in the last 5 years. or more like what he hasn't done. I just think Bush is a dumbass and he hasn't done much to help this country, or anything he promised in his campaigns. He can't even get along with his own party. 2/3 of the country think hes lead this country completely the wrong way. and where 2/3 republicans strongly approved of Bush after his re-election, there is now 21%. "God told me to invade Iraq" hmm I always thought religion and politics were supposed to be separate?? In his campaign in 2000, he praised Clintons FEMA, and then replaced top officials with political cronies who had little experience in managing emergencies. add in DeLay, Libby, Rove, and republicans aren't looking too great now.
Posted by: Alison | Oct 8, 2005 12:09:28 PM
Thank you for the visual picture our our war dead, even if it is only a portion.
I would like to honor your creation and their memories at an event honoring our ancestors at the end of this month. 1. would you be willing to allow us to do that?; 2. we won't have internet access so I'd need to download it to my computer in its entirety.
Thank you for your site and your creativity in protest.
Posted by: Lyric | Oct 10, 2005 9:43:01 AM
WRH posted this...
Powerful, is all I can say!
Posted by: Night Bird | Oct 10, 2005 11:20:18 AM
Great video! How about one of the 2,500 missing children in New Orleans. Just a suggestion.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 10, 2005 11:25:02 AM
2,500 missing children is all Bush's fault too, we will get around to it. Thanks for the tip!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 10, 2005 4:01:38 PM
I'd really like to download this video and show it at our next Democratic Club meeting. If you can, please email me instructions on where to find the file. Thank you.
Posted by: Mike | Oct 10, 2005 8:58:33 PM
My people have been in this country for over 300 years. I'm sick of ignorant shits like "Treason" and Jonah Goldberg telling me what I can say about what the government of MY country is doing with MY troops. I want MY troops brought safely home, so they can do what they're supposed to do - defend MY country, not Iraq, Iran, Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan...
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 10, 2005 10:54:07 PM
Wow that's a truly ignorant bush-bot who posted about the "UN voted to remove Saddam". Umm NO idiot, the UN DID NOT vote to "remove Saddam". DUHHH. The UN voted NO to bush's bullshit illegal war crime invasion.
Ya know that rightwingnut bush-bot still thinks Iraq did 911, too. How did America manage to breed so many stupid people???
Posted by: wooster | Oct 11, 2005 11:59:51 AM
Neo-conned,
You can say whatever the hell you'd like to say anytime. I could give two shits what you say or think. That's what's great about this country. Your just pissed you lost the last two elections and that's all it comes down to. Deal with it. Your going to lose another election in 2008 also. MY troops aren't coming home until they get the job done. DEAL WITH IT! You haven't a clue to how, what, when, where, or why this country is being defended.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 11, 2005 12:24:18 PM
Bastard,
Good work. Now if you could put the more than 100,000 faces of the Iraqi women and children killed, in a war they never wanted nor started.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 11, 2005 4:18:21 PM
Great idea Sam! Then maybe TheBastard could make a video of the 500,000 plus women and childeren Sadamm has killed! Brilliant!
Sam, could you explain, "in a war they never wanted nor started."?
I think your a little confused.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 11, 2005 4:23:48 PM
Dumbass liberals like "Treason" think that anyone who opposes Bush is a Democrat. Some people ARE clueless.
I GUARANTEE you that I will "lose" the next presidential election - because the chickenhawk leaders of both parties are all for war in Iraq - or anywhere else. What cowards. That all-hat and no-saddle coward, George Bush, couldn't fight his way out of a briar patch. That's why he lets 19-year-old boys and girls do the fighting for him. Ditto whatever Democrat might run in 2008.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 11, 2005 11:17:42 PM
Wow, this is a LOT like a video my friend made when the death toll hit 1000 (he later updated it to 1684 for a film festival). Did whomever made this see his a copy some aspects, I'm sure he wouldn't mind. Just curious. Here is a link to the vid he made last year:
http://www.marshallsmedia.com/movies/warmovie/
Posted by: Ian Magruder | Oct 12, 2005 12:43:53 AM
You oughta make a epic video of those that lost their lives to abortions....
Posted by: steve | Oct 12, 2005 12:45:31 AM
Steve,
I would but I can't find any vidoes or pictures of the women that had to go to back alleys to get abortions.....oh wait, were you talking about fetus'? Shit I'm sorry, can they vote? Or fight in a war? Or drink?
Oh yes, the ones that can't speak for themselves, or walk, or write, or think, or......shit........nevermind! What was I thinking, I fought but couldn't vote, or drink legally but sure as shit I could spill my blood.
Could an emryo do that? Is it it's blood or the parents blood that will be spilled?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 12, 2005 1:05:21 AM
Uh...heh...
13 million of them could be voting by now... I wonder what percentage would vote Democrat eh? Tragically, yes back alley abortions are absolutely horrific and I am in no way advocating for them. Maybe we can educate people in your public schools for a better way so they don't need to get back alley abortions. There is always this though eh? And the explotation of American's in desperate searches for babies abroad. Don't we not want our money to go overseas? Oh wait, I am reasoning with a liberal ideology... Sorry my bad...
Carry on with the baby killing...
Posted by: Ted Nugent | Oct 12, 2005 1:48:13 AM
d'oh... Steve (Ted)
Posted by: steve | Oct 12, 2005 1:49:14 AM
Ted, there are 40,000 adoptions in the US per year. There are 1 1/2 million abortions...
Math, anyone?
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 12, 2005 7:38:48 AM
Why can't liberals (i.e. Democrats and Republicans) just admit that invading and occupying foreign countries is wrong, and dangerous to our safety and freedom? Do we not want our military to "defend the Constitution", or would we rather have it embark on the crusades proposed by our respective political parties?
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 12, 2005 11:17:46 AM
Neo-conned,
Still crying over the last two elections I see.
Cry, cry and cry some more. God, I love it!
Posted by: Treason | Oct 12, 2005 1:09:24 PM
Treason, you're kidding, right?
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 12, 2005 1:42:35 PM
Neo-conned has every right to cry, the Dems losing actually has caused these 500 men their lives, so I will cry with him over the last two failed attempts to correct America.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 12, 2005 2:35:43 PM
Powerful video!
Any way I can download it to a laptop to use at our outdoor event on the date of the 2000th death?
Ifso, let me know!
Keep it up!
Posted by: Bill | Oct 16, 2005 6:57:12 AM
I have forwarded the video to everyone I know?
Can someone please tell me the name of the Pink Floyd song?
Posted by: Cheryl | Oct 17, 2005 4:56:06 PM
Pink Floyd song is "One Of These Days" off of the "A Collection of Great Dance Songs"
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 17, 2005 5:02:10 PM
Loved that video. Now, I hate that stupid war. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for putting your time and talents into creating this impressive anti-war message video.
Posted by: Steven | Oct 17, 2005 6:52:30 PM
Steven, "The soldiers that died in that video believed in what they were fighting for." Don't you get it.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 17, 2005 7:15:56 PM
Yeah and they died for your freedom or you'd be speaking Arabic by now...
Posted by: steve | Oct 17, 2005 8:37:02 PM
Actually Steve, every time you write or speaks a number you are speaking arabic/hindu.
Damn they snuck one by us better start counting your paychecks in a different manner wouldn't want to see you supporting those dirty arabs.
And the last I checked, again, Iraq did not attack us on 9/11.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 17, 2005 9:36:29 PM
Yeah you are right Bastard, Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. You are great at stating the obvious. Nice going...
Posted by: steve | Oct 17, 2005 10:12:54 PM
Wow, a real life terrorist organization in the forming, this site may just be the most anti-American site I have come across. If you cannot support our country and the leaders that our majority has elected, you perhaps seek a government other than Democracy.
Instead of kicking, crying, and presenting criticism based on your limited knowledge why not provide solutions based on real intelligence?
I think that you may consider moving to another country so that you can play out your “victim” passive-aggressive personality disorder there. (Cheer up man)
BTW the Pink Floyd song used in the 2000 video is titled “One of These Days" is an instrumental composition used as the lead-off track of Pink Floyd's album Meddle. Three and a half minutes into the six-minute track, drummer Nick Mason is heard declaring, "One of these days, I'm going to chop you into little pieces", the only lyrics in the song.
Posted by: Pro Gov | Oct 18, 2005 5:37:53 AM
Really glag you liked the video Pro Gov. It was made particurly with someone like you in mind. Don't you feel special.
One question, why do you hate freedom?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 18, 2005 5:44:38 AM
Bastard, please answer your own question. Why do you hate freedom? And, why do you fight to have my freedoms taken away? Can't you just move to another country that makes you happy?
Posted by: Treason | Oct 18, 2005 10:05:06 AM
Okay Treason, what freedoms is TB taking away fomr you?
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 18, 2005 10:53:21 AM
Brilliant Mr Bastard! Nuff said.
Posted by: Mamabear | Oct 20, 2005 8:18:52 AM
Brilliant Bastard!
You stole the rights to a song without permission!
and....
You stole the rights of some 500 soldiers without there permission and want to speak FOR THEM!
Brilliant Bastard!
You liberals are realing good at stealing now aren't you.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 20, 2005 11:00:23 AM
Umm stealing is all about Republicans and elections. And you know what, send the damn thing to Roger Waters and see what he says. HE just released two anti-Bush songs over the internet because the record companies wouldn't carry him. So I doubt he is gonna be to upset since we are not making a dime of it and it is nothing but free advertising for him. Go ahead send it to him, schmuck!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 20, 2005 11:46:13 AM
Actually, Waters has a new album coming out that will center on the Colonial Oil War in Iraq. His first since that last Colonial Oil War! Hooray!
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 20, 2005 12:28:53 PM
Still calling it a "stolen election"? You need therapy Bastard. The election was won fair and square. You have no proof except for lies and myths to prove other wise. Know what that is called? A poor fucking loser. Yes, that is what you are. You need to grow up. You and your whole party. Try this one on for size o.k. Run someone in an election that has something to say and maybe you'll win a fucking election some day.
Until then you and your followers can continue your little crying and whinning right here at BIO! where no one except you and your little croney friends are the only one listening.
Cry, cry and cry some more. It's quite amusing day after day.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 20, 2005 12:32:37 PM
Jeez Treason, you sure got the venom up this week!
Election fraud is common throughout American, the world, through history. Only an idiot wouldn't believe it. The party with the most power tends to weild the most power and tends to be corrupt. Only a real moron wouldn't believe that. Conservatives used to believe that until the GOP became the Party of Low Brow Common Hicks.
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 20, 2005 12:39:01 PM
Powerful video......and election fraud is common everywhere....always has been etc
Posted by: Haddock | Oct 25, 2005 7:28:05 PM
My heart goes out to each and every one of those soldiers! They made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom!
God Bless them! Thank God we have people like them to protect and defend our Great Nation.
Only one more thing....My heart doesn't go out to a number, meaning 10, 100, 1,000, 2000, 5,000 etc... My heart goes out to each ONE!
Sorry to see a number (2000) glorified that's what makes me mad.
Great, support your troops but not your government. That makes a whole lot of sense!
Posted by: Treason | Oct 25, 2005 8:40:24 PM
Hey Treason, it makes sense to support a bad government why?
Posted by: The Cranky Liberal | Oct 25, 2005 11:32:20 PM
Because... we have a democratic process, you'll get your turn in 2006. That is, if you actually have a plan.... Does your team have a plan?
Posted by: steve | Oct 25, 2005 11:37:44 PM
Who needs plans? Y'all didn't have a plan when you took over. What's with all the qualifiers?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 25, 2005 11:43:04 PM
Awesome job Bastard. We need a video to show all of the babies and wives and husbands left behind. On a lie.
Posted by: Rhonda | Oct 26, 2005 1:57:17 AM
I am someone that grew up as a military kid, and then when I was of age I did a four year enlistment in the military. The military is my home town, the place I grew up, my family. That you choose to whore out the pictures of the dead for you own political agenda disgusts and saddens me. You used the image of people whom you know would most likely not agree with any of your views. I'm sure you had most this ready for weeks, and waited with baited breath for when you could use it. Shame.
Posted by: Dan | Oct 26, 2005 2:46:33 AM
Hey Dan, I like your choice of words so I will use them right back at you. You see, Bush and his cronies would like for these faces to remain numbers, as Bush would probably call them, they are nothing but "background noise" to these ass hats in the White House. Bush "whored" these men and women out to his corporate buddies when he sent them over to Iraq.
You are correct, I had this video ready a month ago and released it then (if you care to note the date of the first comment on this post). I released it then because it was only a matter of time.
And the sad thing is that I will have to release another video at 3,000 unless people like you wake up and stand up for these men and women, and demand that they be brought home.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 26, 2005 5:57:05 AM
Bastard, sad thing is that YOU can't wait to release 3,000.
Nice article y'all wrote here at BIO! yesterday about the Constitution in Iraq these 2,000 dead soldiers defended to get passed! Oh, that's right, you didn't write an article about that. Why? Because you have nothing but a political agenda and a hand in HELPING get these soldiers KILLED over in the Iraq/Afganistan theatre day in and day out.
Posted by: Treason | Oct 26, 2005 9:40:59 AM
Well Treason,
I'm glad that you got the presidential talking points memo this morning. Had me worried that you somehow got left off the list.
Just remember those men died hunting for the ever elusive WMD's. Remember that was the first reason that was given. And the only reason that congress approved action.
They died because Bush lied!!!!!!!!
And the Theocratic Constitution of Iraq is nothing to brag about.
My dog has more rights then women under that fucking piece of toilet paper.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 26, 2005 11:55:55 AM
Bravo.
I will pass this link on.
The message couldn't get any clearer.
Please someone stop this madness!
Where are the hero's in Congress?
Why is this continuing?
Was that also a photo of our deceased troops being dropped into the ocean instead of bringing the bodies home?
I have to go throw up now.
IMPEACH!!!!
IMPEACH!!!!
Keep up what you are doing!
Posted by: L.P. | Oct 26, 2005 2:24:33 PM
Bastard,
Which are you more concerned with the 2000 dead or the 500,000 plus alive still busting their ass? Point being, if you elevate the 2000 to a pedestal, and use it to point a finger at Bush or whatever you are into, then you make the actual work the living are doing seem trite whether you are against the war or not.
Posted by: steve | Oct 26, 2005 8:21:06 PM
Just letting you know...we've linked to this video...and are starting our own protest that you might be interested in passing on to whomever would be interested.......
2,000 U.S. Soldiers DEAD
50,000 + wounded
DOWN WITH IMPERIALISM
I'm starting a "white shoe-polish" protest. If you want to help, please do! Grab some white shoepolish and hit the back of your windshield on your car. Wake these sleeping masses up! Write something...anything. "Peace Now" "No More US Imperialism" "No more blood for oil" "No more boy king crusades, bring our troops home" ..........etc...........Whatever. Just something! Wake these people UP!!! HELL, we've got a "soccer mom" that's chaining herself to the White House. We have a many wounded now (of our troops) that died in Vietnam. How much blood is it going to take for you to do something ANYTHING about Imperialistic America?!? I know so many that are so "daring to be different" with spiked collars and pink hair...but do you really have the balls that it takes to ACTUALLY be different and stand up for a change?!? Got news for ya guys...corporate America is HOPING you won't do anything. You've got rage? You've got angst? You've got intelligence? Then do SOMETHING. Personally, I am so sick of this!
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
Join the white shoe-polish cars and get people to wake the up.
Enough is enough "Boy king George". We're done with the "new crusades".
This doesn't even start in on the horrors the people living there face. ..........
White Shoe-Polish Protest Now!!!
Please pass this along if you feel so inclined....
Thought you'd like to know about something that JUST started. We've got a dozen or so stating they are behind us and buying some white shoe-polish as we speak. A few in New Orleans (thanks to the internet) have heard of this and are spreading the word. I don't know if this will actually reach as many as I'd like....but I do know, there's always another way. If history teaches us anything. So, if you'd like to announce this or pass it along, please do!
Thanks!
Posted by: Irish | Oct 26, 2005 8:21:39 PM
Well Steve,
With that frame of thought let me just shut the fuck up and say nothing than. I have just as much a responsibility as an American citizen to say no to this fucking war as you have to say "sure, go die for me based on lies". What is so hard to understand about that?
Dude, no argument in the world, not ever, could convince me that this war was legal. Not one.
Go look over the news leading up to the war. Go look at the 9/11 commission report. We were told we needed to attack because he had the bomb,
NOT BECAUSE BUSH THINKS THAT EVERY IRAQI SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO EAT MCDONALDS!!!!!!!
STOP THE LIES AND HELP SAVE SOME LIVES!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 26, 2005 8:44:01 PM
Go read this... go do that... you need to look up this... yeah so I read it. It tells me to go after Saddam. And?
Posted by: steve | Oct 26, 2005 11:21:13 PM
I get so tired of these treasonous fucks making political hay out of our dead soldiers. These traitors should be doing something positive and support the troops. In other words, they should stop shilling for the GOP and BRING THEM HOME.
I couldn't care less about the constitution of Iraq - or any other country. I'm an American. The only Constitution I care about is the one that Shrub and his chickenhawk pals have thrown out the window. (Of course, those invertebrates also known as "Congress", gave them a free hand.)
In a healthy society, Shrub and his pals would be facing charges of treason. Instead, we try to elect John Kerry. Unless the Democratic party wants to return to its Jeffersonian roots, it is nothing but a useless weed that needs to whither and die.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 26, 2005 11:28:30 PM
Very moving video, by the way. Thank you. They will never get their hands on MY kids.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 26, 2005 11:33:24 PM
Our enemies have a similar video; only they show the 2900+ victims of 9/11. They want our troops out too. God bless our troops and their families, and I thank them for their service and sacrifice for our country. Our troops are the best people in the world. We wouldn't be here without them.
Posted by: Vince | Oct 27, 2005 12:00:15 AM
hmm...2,000 soldiers dead...over half the nation saying the war was wrong...lowest approval ratings ever...Tom DeLay...top officials (including CHENEY) releasing top CIA names (go ahead Bush...keep doing YOU JOB)...Harriet Miers...Ellen Sauerbrey... Bush can't even maintain support from not only his country...but also his own party?? damn. and hey while we're billions of dollars in debt...lets spend more on flip flops and entertainment for hurricane victoms! they don't need a new home or anything serious like that...
yea Dems lost last 2 elections..I won't say the first was exactly fair, theres no way to prove it either way, but lets just look forward to the next 3+ years when theres a new President...and hopefully he won't screw us into the ground even more. We're so far down I don't know how the hell we can get back out. its actually incredibly scary...especially since hurricanes like Katrina and Wilma and Rita are supposed to continue for the next 20+ years. as well as the bird flu. but yes. let's concentrate on a nonsense war.
Posted by: Alison | Oct 27, 2005 1:20:57 AM
18,000 soldiers died from military training accidents between the years of 1982 to 1998. Where is your outcry for them? 2000 soldiers die removing a ruthless dictator and people who blow themselves up hoping to kill innocent men women and children. Last time we withdrew because of people like you, the killing fields quickly followed. You do know what that was dont you?
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 7:52:47 AM
Bush-lugy,
No blame, no gain is your motto isn't it. Can't speak much about Vietnam, wasn't there but my liberal schools taught me that we shouldn't have been there.
As far as our recent illegal war, I'm wouldn't cry for the 18,000 soldiers because they died doing their jobs under the pretext of what they were told was true. Is it sad yes, maybe I sould write a letter to the White House about on the job safety regulations.
I'm screaming about 2,000 lies because they died for a pack of lies. Again,
Go look over the news leading up to the war. Go look at the 9/11 commission report. We were told we needed to attack because he had the bomb,
NOT BECAUSE BUSH THINKS THAT EVERY IRAQI SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO EAT MCDONALDS!!!!!!!
STOP THE LIES AND HELP SAVE SOME LIVES!
We could have given two shits about the Iraqi's during the 12 years that they were starving from sanctions. Now all of a sudden you care?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 27, 2005 8:10:07 AM
Bastard,
You crack me up. What does 12 years of sanctions have to do with us caring about the Iraqi situtation? Are you saying you don't care about oppression? Of course not, and don't give me some story about some other country in a far worse situation than Iraq that we haven't done two shits for. Iraq is sitting on and next to the largest oil reserves in the world. C'mon, the world did everything just short of war to remove the guy from power, what were we suppose to do? Keep writing UN resolutions? Watch what happens to this guy that corrupted the oil for food program.
Posted by: steve | Oct 27, 2005 9:01:07 AM
Steve,
Stop changing the subject. Why did we originally go to war? What was the reason given?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 27, 2005 9:49:12 AM
Bastard, How can I get a hold of the still photo of Bush made up of the 2000 american soldiers killed in Irak. By the way the video is a work of art.
Posted by: marine | Oct 27, 2005 11:41:28 AM
Vince writes, "Our enemies have a similar video; only they show the 2900+ victims of 9/11. They want our troops out too. God bless our troops and their families, and I thank them for their service and sacrifice for our country. Our troops are the best people in the world. We wouldn't be here without them."
We wouldn't? Why? We haven't fought for our "freedom" since the Civil War - and not from a foreign invader since 1812! God can bless us, Allah can bless them, and it doesn't add up to squat in a bucket. We all appreciate the troops, but some of us appreciate them more than others. Those who opposed this goofball "war" from the get-go did so with the troops best interest at heart. Look, if there were WMD - chemical, biological, nuclear - imagine if Saddam had used them on our troops. Imagine. To support this war is to support the enemy - 9/11 was to bait us into this stupid war and Osama knew exactly what he was doing to make it happen. Now we have a far more dangerous world, a far more dangerous Iraq, and a far more dangerous world wide terrorism problem. Good job, jingoistic GOP slobbolas.
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 27, 2005 12:22:01 PM
Bastard and whom it may concern
Are all of you people blind. We went there looking for WMD's. We may not of found them yet, but what we did find is just as terrifying. A Jiihadist movement of wackos who are hellbent on turning the whole middleast into one terror state and as soon as that happens ladies and gentlemen far worse things will happen than 9/11. Deathtolls would be up to a million and maybe more. And dont you dare try to tell me that there was no Al-queada operations going on in iraq before the war. The 9/11 comission report clearly stats this. They just and that there was no operational connection from Iraq in 9/11. I also like how you choose to ignore the fact that Sadaam paid families of people who blew themselves up to kill innocent jews. Iraq is the main battlefront for destroying terror and you people refer to it as a goofball war. Thank god your the minority.
P.S Go look up Solman Pac, you would probably try to say it was just an innocent boyscout camp hidden by airplanes in the Iraqi desert.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 4:52:57 PM
who cares about israel? or the middle east? typical liberals - messing in everyone's business and using government to do it. i want my country back from the wackos from aei and pnac - let those wussies fight their own battles.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 27, 2005 7:11:51 PM
Bushy leaguer,
Dude your grabbing at straws!!! First off, show a link to exactly where in the 9/11 report that it says Al-Qaeda was operating inside Iraq.
I'm not talking with you anymore until you do. OK?
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 27, 2005 8:41:32 PM
Bastard
What makes you think that I obtain all of my information from a link to the internet dude? The 9/11 comission report identifies al-qaeda as not having an operational link to the actual attacks on 9/11. Does that mean that they were never in Iraq before 9/11 took place? It never says that al-qaeda wasnt in Iraq. Do you think that Iraq was a country unknown to Zarqawi. That as soon as we invaded Iraq he showed up clicked his heals and magically had this jiihadist army. They were imbeded there and you know it. It takes years to set up an effective covert network and you claim that he and his goons showed up after our attack. How the fuck does a "Jordanian" terrorist set up an entire underground assault within a few months in a foreign country he was never operating in previously? Read the report or listen to someone who has. Until then have a good night and dont forget to support your local dictator.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 10:55:53 PM
Suppose Al Qaida really was in Iraq before the invasion; suppose Osama & Co. do want to create a huge Caliphate (they do); suppose Saddam financed every single bombing in Isarael - even if completely true, an invasion of Iraq could never make our citizens safer. And it hasn't. Osama, Zarqawi, and pals are still "on the run" and the terror threat is worse, not better.
This is what the invasion has accomplished:
1. 2005 dead American soldiers (and counting)
2. Some tens of thousands of dead Iraqis
3. A US taxpayer-funded recruiting drive for Al Qaida
4. Billions of dollars thrown down the drain
AND
5. The near complete destruction of our government's credbility at home and abroad.
The only reason people like me were duped into acquiescing to this war was because we honestly believed that Saddam was planning to give nukes to Al Qaida. The ONLY reason. We were lied to. Believe me, Joe Taxpayer didn't support this war because Paul Wolfowitz had "a vision" for Democracy in the Middle East.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 27, 2005 11:04:29 PM
Bastard.
There has been a mistake and I am truely sorry. The name of the training camp is "Salman Pak". You can google search it an find countless links. Or you can go here(www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm)
Here is the opening paragragh for all you so called humanitarians against the war.
"Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.
The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula."
Must be made up ha.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 11:06:22 PM
Probably not made up but without a doubt insignificant or it would have rolled off Colins lips when he went to the U.N.
Face dude you were lied to. Instead of making excuses for the lies why don' you direct your energy towards getting our boys home.
Two wrongs don't make it right.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 27, 2005 11:11:48 PM
Easy Bastard, he goes to Chico State...
(At least that is what his email says)
Bushleager:
Hey man, welcome to our side. Unfortunately Bastard needs to understand, in order to get our boys home safely, we shouldn't be doing this Iraq thing half assed. We should go all the way.
Posted by: steve | Oct 27, 2005 11:20:53 PM
B-leaguer asks how Zarqawi could set up a jihadist movement in Iraq within a few months - unless he had been there organizing for years. Only a true bushleaguer would ask such a dumb question - and the answer speaks to why invading Iraq was the dumbest thing our government could possibly do.
The reason that Zarqawi can "set up" a network of jihadists in only a few months is that he doesn't have to "set one up." The population of the Middle East has been radicalized for decades - primarily because of Israel, but also because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the U.S. war and sanctions on Iraq. When people are that fired up about something (rightly or wrongly) they don't need a blue-ribbon congressional committee to tell them what they have to do. These sorts of horizontally structured insurrectionary movements have occurred throughout history.
Imagine, for instance, if the Chinese had taken out D.C. and occupied the country - would you need a Federal agency to tell you how to load up your rifle or whom to shoot?
Just the same, bushleague and treason don't need orders from Ken Mehlman - they can just log in to Freeperville or FrontpageMag and then they know what they need to do. Bill Kristol doesn't have to send them a personal email.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 27, 2005 11:21:29 PM
Neo-conned
70% of al-qaeda killed or captured and were not safer.Lets go over your points.
1. 2005 dead soldiers. What makes you think that you speak for them. You disrespect their memory by saying they shouldnt have fought for the weak and oppressed when the majority of them decided to. Should the Union never have fought against slavery. Should we never have toppled hitler.
2. How about hundreds of thousands dead iraqi citizens? How about genocide? And how about most of these rescent people being killed by Zarqawi and his thugs? If you deny that your foolish.
3.We mistakenly funded the taliban to help them fight off the red army. They stabbed us in the back and now their dead. Nice try.
4. Billions of dollars wasted. When I last looked I saw the US kicking some terrorist ass. Their loosing their stronghold and their cause across the muslim world. Shutting down a major murderous terrorist nework, now thats billions spent well.
5.Well your back to the lies again. Lies Lies Lies, you people should write a song about lies you say it so much.I think it is your peoples credibility that has gone down the drain. I think that it is people like you and bastard that cant win an argument so your second step is to resort to subliminal anti-war hypnosis messaging, like in your work of art up top. Im sorry but thats the only thing I can think of when I watch that, especially with the pink floyd.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 11:31:14 PM
If they come home now the terror will go on and it will reach our shores.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 11:33:53 PM
Neo-conned and bastard vs bushleaguer
bushleaguer wins,TOTAL KNOCKOUT.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 27, 2005 11:39:45 PM
B-leaguer,
Thanks for reiterating my points. And yours were...?
For the record:
I don't speak for any soldiers - dead or alive. I speak for myself and my family - it's my government and it's my troops. Hell, it's my country. Let me remind you that Iraq isn't a part of the U.S. of A., you bleeding heart traitor. Show me in the Constitution where it says that 19-year old boys and girls should be sent off to die for "democracy" in the Middle East (or Yugoslavia or Somolia or anywhere else).
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 27, 2005 11:50:29 PM
If the Taliban is "dead" then who killed U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan two weeks ago? And the week before that? And the week before that one?
"70% of AlQaida killed or captured" Thank you, Robert McNamara. Just 30% to go and we can roll this thing up, right? Do you really need to have it explained to you why this is a meaningless statement? Yeah, probably do. We'll let you think about it.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 27, 2005 11:58:08 PM
Ah... but neo-conned... it's our country too. Don't you remember we get to vote for our leaders?
The traitor/you hate America comments need to be banned on BIO. (Seriously Bastard, they are getting pathetic from your side and mine) That's just not right. We have the right to believe what we believe. It's funny how you say "I speak for myself and my family," and then go on to say "it's my governemnt and my troops" (note: you were speaking for yourself and not the troops, as you go on to talk about 19 year olds dying in a war). It's not YOUR GOVERNMENT and those aren't YOUR TROOPS. They are OUR TROOPS and OUR LEADERS. (YOURS, MINE, EVERY AMERICAN) Y'all wanna change the rules and take our leaders down. You can and you have your chance in 2006 and 2008. But for now, that's the way it is...
By the way, the Constitution gives the right for those 19 year olds to vote for a change as well as they VOLUNTEER and even RE-ENLIST to go fight over there.
Posted by: steve | Oct 28, 2005 12:07:00 AM
Steve,
That was truly eloquent and edifying. All the best in vocational school.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 28, 2005 12:12:02 AM
So witty!! Did you learn that in drama class?
Posted by: steve | Oct 28, 2005 12:21:59 AM
Neo
Your right those soldiers were killed the taliban. There are still small pockets of resistance out in the country side. Just in ww2 when the Germans surrendered, there were still small pockets of nazi resistance for years after. And just like the nazis the taliban are out of money, out of support and are cut-off from the rest of the country. But every rat must come out of its hole sometimes and unfortunatly theres an ambush or firefight and someone gets killed. They are getting desperate and the letter intercepted from Al Zawahiri clearly shows this. For the record our soldiers are not 19 year old boys and girls they are men and women. My father and uncle are Green Berets and they will be going "back" to Iraq this January.
To you they must be confused little boys too.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 28, 2005 7:42:19 AM
GOD! How far behind the times are you Bushleaguer?
That letter was discredited and just another example of the fraud this administration commits.
Look it up, I'm don doing research for you.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 28, 2005 7:52:35 AM
Bastard
What reasearch? You do absolutly nothing but post assumptions, its hilarious. As far as the letter goes, your claiming the its fake because Zawahiri does. Give me a break for god sakes. Even if the letter was a forgery does that mean that their intentions which are explained in it are false. They are out of founding, they are cut off and they do want to takeover the entire middleast.
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 28, 2005 8:22:04 AM
Argumentum ad Hitlerum - they're just like the Nazi's - they're "Islamo-fascists" - etc etc.
Indeed "the terrace" are nothing at all like the Nazi's. They don't have a state. And until they have a navy, they won't present the kind of threat that invasion and occupation can solve.
Therefore, it doesn't matter how noble, brave and wonderful your Green Beret relatives might be. Their job - regardless of what they may think - is to defend the country and the Constitution of the United States. Going to Iraq has nothing to do with this.
In spite of your vehemence there really isn't any question as to whether invading Iraq improved or could improve the safety of our people. Yes, there are still Ken Mehlman talking points - "stay the course" "taking the fight to the terrace" "defending our freedom" "freedom is on the march" etc etc But no argument. No question that it was a huge mistake based on lies.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 28, 2005 8:44:39 AM
Neo-conned
Since you are so smart perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you would like seen done by this administration at this point in time. Now when you reply I dont want you to go back in time before the invasion we'll take that up in next talking point. Im not sure but Im going to assume that you will say that you want the troops to come home right now at this very instant. But surely you must have a solution for when all of our troops are withdrawn. When the Iraqis have no real defence or intelligence, when the terrorist start assasinating and murdering elected officials, bombing anyone who stands in their, and thus creating a somewhat anarchist/terrorist run country like in Somalia and Pre 9/11 Afganistan. I mean do you really think that the terrorist will run for elections and have fair democracy? And then a few years down the road, with US still not involved, their next plan will be bring jiihad to the rest of the world. And if you dont believe just look at some of their past statements. They hate you because to them you are a non-believer in the jiihad, they hate your way of life and they would not hesitate to s..l..o..w..l..y cut your head off and shit down your throat. Back to the point, by this point in time they would probably have no trouble to obtain nuke or any other weaponized agent to release anywhere they choose. And then your going to have to send the troops back to fight an even bigger war. But let hear what you have to say, because you must have solution dont you?
Posted by: bushleaguer | Oct 28, 2005 9:56:02 AM
OK Bushleaguer, lets move the conversation out of the basement of a 130+ comment thread and bring it above the fold. Maybe get some new blood into this conversation. So I have posted and propose that we go here to discuss further.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 28, 2005 11:18:49 AM
This is exactly why you can't trust a thing coming from the New York Times or you little brats here at BIO! or you far left loonies.
_________________________________________________
CPL. JEFFREY B. STARR: WHAT THE NYTIMES LEFT OUT
By Michelle Malkin ·
http://www.michellemalkin.com/
October 28, 2005 10:49 AM
On Wednesday, the NYTimes published a 4,625-word opus on the "2,000 dead" milestone--a "grim mark," read the headline--on page A2. Among those profiled were Marines from the First Battalion of the Fifth Marine Regiment, including Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr. Here's an excerpt from the Times' passage about Cpl. Starr:
Another member of the 1/5, Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr, rejected a $24,000 bonus to re-enlist. Corporal Starr believed strongly in the war, his father said, but was tired of the harsh life and nearness of death in Iraq. So he enrolled at Everett Community College near his parents' home in Snohomish, Wash., planning to study psychology after his enlistment ended in August.
But he died in a firefight in Ramadi on April 30 during his third tour in Iraq. He was 22.
Sifting through Corporal Starr's laptop computer after his death, his father found a letter to be delivered to the marine's girlfriend. ''I kind of predicted this,'' Corporal Starr wrote of his own death. ''A third time just seemed like I'm pushing my chances.''
Last night, I received a letter from Corporal Starr's uncle, Timothy Lickness. He wanted you to know the rest of the story--and the parts of Corporal Starr's letter that the Times failed to include:
Yesterday's New York Times on-line edition carried the story of the 2000 Iraq US military death[s]. It grabbed my attention as the picture they used with the headline was that of my nephew, Cpl Jeffrey B. Starr, USMC.
Unfortunately they did not tell Jeffrey's story. Jeffrey believed in what he was doing. He [was] willing put his life on the line for this cause. Just before he left for his third tour of duty in Iraq I asked him what he thought about going back the third time. He said: "If we (Americans) don't do this (free the Iraqi people from tyranny) who will? No one else can."
Several months after Jeffrey was killed his laptop computer was returned to his parents who found a letter in it that was addressed to his girlfriend and was intended to be found only if he did not return alive. It is a most poignant letter and filled with personal feelings he had for his girlfriend. But of importance to the rest of us was his expression of how he felt about putting his life at risk for this cause. He said it with grace and maturity.
He wrote: "Obviously if you are reading this then I have died in Iraq. I kind of predicted this, that is why I'm writing this in November. A third time just seemed like I'm pushing my chances. I don't regret going, everybody dies but few get to do it for something as important as freedom. It may seem confusing why we are in Iraq, it's not to me. I'm here helping these people, so that they can live the way we live. Not have to worry about tyrants or vicious dictators. To do what they want with their lives. To me that is why I died. Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark."
What Jeffrey said is important. Americans need to understand that most of those who are or have been there understand what's going on. It would honor Jeffrey's memory if you would publish the rest of his story.
Mr. Lickness also told me: "Even more than a Marine, Jeff was a man of God. At a recent memorial service at Camp Pendleton for the 16 Marines from his unit killed in Iraq we got to meet the men who were with him when he died. They told us of his bravery under fire, his leadership, his humor and his humanity. America lost the best it has, but the family knows he's with his Heavenly Father and we will see him again."
Now you know what the Times left out. Now you know the rest of Corporal Starr's story.
You can pay proper tribute to Corporal Starr here.
More about Corporal Starr from his uncle here.
Thank God for men like him.
As for the Times, what do I always say? It's always more informative for what it leaves out than for what it puts in.
***
Photographer Zombie documents how not to pay tribute to the troops.
_________________________________________________
So, now you have the WHOLE story!
Posted by: Treason | Oct 28, 2005 11:32:38 AM
Very sad in deed!!! Now you are missing the point, why the FUCK are we in Iraq if they never had a nuclear weapons program? Why can't we fight this same war in Afghanistan? I'm sure the influx of terrorists into Iraq would have been more than happy to travel to Afghanistan.
So why Iraq? Why did your government lie to us about Iraq? Why are guys dying in Iraq?
I would have no problem with guys dying in Afghanistan to protect my freedom because they are the ones that attacked us (and Saudi Arabia) but why Iraq? Stop changing the subject and deflecting truth!
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 28, 2005 11:44:06 AM
Bastard, first you answer my question of what and why you know I posted this story. Why did the NYT lie in this story and distort it? Like they always do. Answer the questions!
To answer your question: Bastard: "why the FUCK are we in Iraq if they never had a nuclear weapons program?"
It's this simple Mr. B. it wasn't just over NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM. It is called WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION which are Bio, Chemical and Nuclear Weapons. 12 years of defiance by Saddam and 17 resolutions. It's that simple!
Posted by: Treason | Oct 28, 2005 11:58:35 AM
Hey treason, are you referring to WMD Reagan helped Saddam with? You remember that sleazy punk Reagan, right? That lying, dumb, narcing sack of shit, Reagan? Ring a bell?
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 28, 2005 1:10:26 PM
Jersey, I don't remember? lol
Jersey not a very nice way to refer to the number one President of all time.
Are you sure you weren't referring to yourself talking that way?
Posted by: Treason | Oct 28, 2005 1:30:58 PM
I grew up under the threat of a nuclear holocaust. The USSR had an enormous army, plus a navy, plus fighter jets that were probably superior to ours (at the time). Frankly, I'm not that worried about a bunch of loony-toons who MIGHT set off a single bomb.
In any case, you shaking quaking Neo-cons seem to believe every edict and fatwa that comes out of Osama's hidey-hole. Sure, he'd like to be master of the universe, but if our government had minded its business the past twenty years, he wouldn't have thousands of young muslims lining up to wage jihad.
In other words, if we left Iraq today and pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia (also not one of the 50 states), jihad just wouldn't seem that enticing. Terrorists don't live in a vacuum and it takes alot of motivation to get someone to get up from the hookah and go blow themselves up, or face down the U.S. Marines. Absent what they see as dire provocation, young muslims would work at boring jobs, drink tea, and TALK about how they hate the Great Satan. Then you're left with a handful of loony-toons who are as marginalized as such groups usually are.
Nobody is waging jihad against Switzerland or Canada, you'll notice.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 28, 2005 2:44:43 PM
Treason, to say that Reagan was number one at anything is apropo for your psuedonym. But if you like, I will gladly school you anytime on the subject of Reagan, the stupid scumbag. ;)
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 28, 2005 2:48:38 PM
My prescription would certainly be to leave Iraq today and forget about it (John Kerry can shove his Pottery Barn Rules). Our troops are in c.170 countries around the world. That number should be down to somewhere around 1. Get out of the Middle East. Leave Israel to its own devices. By all means, track down the terrorists who threaten us, but that is a police-type operation, not a military one. Any fool outside the Beltway can see that much.
In sum, my prescription would be to defend our borders (duh), defend the Constitution, and enjoy the peacful fruits of armed and vigilant neutrality. Not even the Nazi's messed with little, armed-to-the-teeth Switzerland.
None of this, of course, precludes "going after the terrorists" - it only precludes sticking our noses in the hornets nest.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 28, 2005 2:56:31 PM
It's totally that simple, isn't it! NOT!!!
Posted by: steve | Oct 28, 2005 3:14:48 PM
NC, the Nazis could easily have eaten Switzerland alive. The left it be for other, more profitable, reasons. ;)
Posted by: Jersey McJones | Oct 28, 2005 3:19:33 PM
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Posted by: Selective Memory | Oct 28, 2005 11:20:23 PM
Selective Memory,
Regardless of Republican or Democrat if we went to war on lies I would have still made this animation. These men are dead because of lies!!!
The quotes you listed above are just a reminder of how misled they were and the American public was.
Use your selective memory to go look up what a lot of conservatives are saying about this war today.
And one other thing, it will be interesting to see how close they align themselves with the war the closer we get to November 2006.
Posted by: The Bastard | Oct 28, 2005 11:29:38 PM
Your ignoring my point. The problem with the video is two fold. One: They show senior republicans making, essentially, the exact same statements that senior democrats were making at the exact same time in history. Clinton (both of 'em), Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, Levin, Daschle, Gore, etc, etc. The list is long and quite extensive. They all parroted the virtues of Iraq harboring Weapons of Mass Destruction as true. Bill Clinton himself actually ordered repeated military strikes against Iraq under the exact same reasoning. Yet, this video gives you impression that it was allllllll those evil, neo-con republicans. The truth is quite different.
Two: The video implies that weapons of mass destruction were the only reason given for the Iraq war. Even a casual observation of Joint House Resoultion 114 (the Resolution that esentially started the war) shows many other reasons, all of which, have now been found to be accurate.
-Iraq's ties to Al-Qaeda (Check the 9/11 Commission)
-Iraq's ongoing support for terrorist groups in the region (hardly disputable, Saddam made quite a bit of fanfare about making generous donations to suicide bombers and their families.)
-Saddam's brutal opression of his own people (again, something that is now a virtually indisputable fact.)
-Iraq providing a safe haven for terrorists (Abdul Yasin, the guy who helped blow up the WTC the first time, had a Baghdad apartment and a monthly salary compliments of Saddam.)
If you want to make a video about the justification for the Iraq War...Fine. Just show me the full picture. Show me all the reasons given. Show me what both sides of the aisle were saying about the issues. Otherwise, Don't waste my time.
Posted by: Selective Memory | Oct 29, 2005 12:10:13 AM
2010 soldiers have died for a pack of lies.
Of course Pelosi, Clinton and Kerry are guilty as the rest. Guilty because when the Neo-cons said "We're going to invade Iraq" every one of these clowns said "Baaah" and went along with it. So if anyone wants to roast some lamb chops, bring it on, I'm hungry.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 29, 2005 12:38:39 AM
Regarding the video, however, it was the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz-and-Perle cabal that led the way. They're the ones that made this war happen. John Kerry was still deciding on which side to part his helmut while these guys were ginning up a war. Makes perfect sense that Dick Cheney quotes be followed by "LIES" on the film.
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 29, 2005 12:43:19 AM
Pardon, that's "helmet".
Posted by: Neo-conned | Oct 29, 2005 12:44:14 AM
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies. Youve got me river dancing Neo. Keep singing.
Posted by: bushleaquer | Oct 29, 2005 8:18:53 AM
A very impressive piece. My only concern is that I'm pretty sure I saw some of the same faces being repeated, at least at the end. Was it cycling through the 500? If so, it detracts (unecessarily) from the credibility of the piece.
It would also be great to figure out a way to represent the 15,000 wounded (not to mention the Iraqi dead) as other people have noted.
Posted by: climateman | Oct 29, 2005 10:55:53 AM
Glad to see neo-conned is keeping rational thought... Keep it up buddy, you might get to stop taking the yellow pills.
Posted by: steve | Oct 29, 2005 10:56:53 AM
I think I can speak for a great deal of American's who are part of our armed services when I say that video is insulting not only to us, but the cause. Maybe you should all open your eyes and see the good that we're doing overseas rather than constantly focusing on the negative. As someone who defends your freedoms to even make movies like this, I am offended. My best friend was KIA in December of 2003 and I can still say this. Show some respect to these people you picture in stead of making a mockery of them.
Posted by: American Soldier | Nov 3, 2005 10:02:50 AM
American Soldier,
Thank you for your service to our country and I believe 110% in what you are doing for our country. I also believ