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Tuesday, December 06, 2005
Simple Frustration in Bushworld
On Saturday I picked up a copy of our local weekly newspaper off my doorstep and brought it inside to read. This newspaper has a good collection of competent columnists and an on going debate about national issues in the letters to the editor section. In fact, the letters to the editor section is normally the public forum for local issues, but the locals in my town also find in important enough to debate the Iraq War and other national issues in our local paper as well.
When I opened to the letters section I read this letter from Karen Ingalls and I saw it as a blatant example of how the deception of our national leaders influences the public’s perception of the national debate on Iraq.
Makings for WMDs found!
The Senate voted 403-3 against a timetable to pull out of Iraq. Just wanted to state this because I doubt that readers will see it in The Pinnacle as an article. So no matter how much garbage the liberals spew about the Bush administration and our presence in Iraq, they do not want to go on official record that they support a timetable for pulling out of Iraq. They know that pulling out of Iraq now is a confirmation to the terrorists that their suicide bombings and disregard for human life is working. Only the disillusioned and disinformed such as Kate Woods think a pullout is the answer. I see this vote as a huge boost of moral for our troops in Iraq - unlike those like Kate Woods that continually undermine the mission against terrorists.
I support our troops and their mission. They have found all the makings for WMD's, they have found the evidence of terrorist training camps, they have found the mass graves of all the human lives that Saddam's regime has taken..the news media and columns from the likes of Kate Woods feel more compassion for the terrorists in Club Gitmo than our American soldier. 99.99% of the time these liberals continue with their anti-Bush agenda without a second thought about it's impact to our soldiers efforts and moral. Friday's 403-3 count proved that no matter how much crap the liberals spew, deep down, they know it's not time for us to pull out of Iraq.
Karen Ingalls
It is quite obvious that Karen Ingalls didn’t read the resolution that was voted on. I actually wonder how she acquired any knowledge of it at all. The tally of the vote was correct but her information about what they Congress actually voted on is warped. But it is warped in the way that the Republicans would like it to be warped.
I felt compelled to respond in the following way, but there were so many possible ways to respond that I don’t know if I did the best job possible. In fact, I realize I was a bit hasty and left a few things out. The main problem is that there is a limit to the number of words that are allowed in a letter to the editor. Here was my feeble attempt to respond:
Karen Ingalls wrote in the December 4, 2005 Letters to the Editor that the House of Representative voted 403-3 against a timetable to pull troops out of Iraq. I actually believe that Ms. Ingalls believes this, but her response is the result of Republican deception on several levels. The actual text of the resolution voted on was:
RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately. Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
One should first notice that the word timetable was never mentioned in the resolution. In fact, the resolution does not even coincide with the speech that Rep. John Murtha give the day before this resolution was offered.
So, why would the Republicans offer such a resolution that they knew no one on either side of the aisle, aside from a few protest votes, could support? The Republicans wanted to create the illusion that they were voting against John Murtha proposal of a withdrawal over the next six months or so depending on the situation on the ground in Iraq. I have included the full text but because of word count cannot be published in the letters section.
The key here is that the Republicans are manipulating the way we perceive actions in Washington and based on Ms. Ingalls letter it is working. We should all realize that the Republicans are all acting like Used Car Salesmen selling us a War that we should never have been involved in and they are trying to get us to buy the extended warranty that doesn't cover anything when you actually read the fine print. And, Karen Ingalls is just another sucker that bought the sales pitch.
Michael Forbush
Misconceptions and misunderstandings are all around us. It’s obvious that it happens. It’s obvious that people choose to understand things the way they want regardless of the truth. I have been writing about this over several of my posts in the last week or so. I know that I should drop it and move on, but I don’t feel like I have done this topic justice. I don’t feel like I was able to convey my frustration in a clear and concise way. The big picture has been clear to me for five years now, the Bush administration just lies and they have no shame when they are caught in a lie. In fact, they just become more adamant and voice their lie and deception even louder. The effect of this refusal to admit a lie creates a deep polarization in the country. This is because half of the country will blindly believe the lies and deception, while the other half of the country can’t believe that the administration is getting away with these lines. The key is more along the lines of the deception. The lie is couched in a deception that makes the lie sound plausible. And, even when the lies are proven to be lies with facts, the deception changes just enough to allow the fact to be seen as only a conjecture by an unreliable source. The number of unreliable sources rises in proportion to the number of facts exposed.
One tool of war is propaganda. The Nazi war machine used propaganda to maintain support for the war even when all hope should have been lost. The Soviet Union used propaganda to through out the Cold War to bolster the idea that Socialism was superior to the West. Chairman Mao used his little red book to make sure that everyone knew the propaganda and memorized it so that it could be recited. Propaganda is power to the government. Propaganda is a wall to all those who think differently. Propaganda is an enemy to Democracy, because propaganda quiets the opposition to the government; without which there is no choice and hence no Democracy. On the other hand, propaganda could be seen as free speech of the government and the government has a right to lie to its people.
Above I posted one small battle in the war for truth. I read a letter to the editor from a woman who clearly didn’t know the truth and her writing clearly demonstrated it. Although we don’t know for certain how she came to her conclusions we can surmise that she had been listening to the carefully worded propaganda of the Bush administration and she interpreted what she believed that she had heard. Yesterday I only looked at one aspect of her letter, the vote on the resolution to withdrawal troops immediately from Iraq. The Republicans who submitted the bill wanted a bill that could be used to demonstrate support for the War in Iraq. But, instead of being honest about the intention of the vote the deception of the Republicans in congress was to create a bill calling for an immediate withdrawal. Since the genesis of this debate was a speech by John Murtha, a respected veteran who had called for the US to plan a withdrawal procedure. The subtle difference of course is that a “planned withdrawal procedure” and an “immediate withdrawal” are not the same thing. But, the Republican deception machine would like the general public to believe that they are the same things. Planned withdrawal gives responsibility to the Iraqis in a methodical and planned way. Immediate withdrawal means everyone load up the planes and fly home tomorrow. The Republican deception machine understands very well that the general public does not spend enough time on any one issue to be able to distinguish these subtle differences. “Cut and Run” has become a mantra that the Republicans yell at anyone that wants to create a withdrawal plan. With the lack of a withdrawal plan the troops are stuck in Iraq until the Republicans decide that they don’t want to yell the “Cut and Run” mantra any more. This puts the Republicans in the driver seat on the withdrawal from Iraq.
What frustrates me even more is how this same letter illustrates the propaganda from the Bush administration and the Republican Party has warped the minds of many otherwise reasonable people in our country. This is quite obvious but so many people continue to tout the Bush line. The woman begins her letter by claiming that the newspaper is so liberal that they would never publish the truth. Obviously this gives the person who has been deceived an out for the discontinuity between the facts that are published in the media and deception transmitted by the radical right. In this letter the woman professes a fantasy of an Iraq that had WMDs and terrorist training camps. Maybe she is confusing Iraq with Afghanistan where there actually were terrorist training camps. If Iraq really had WMDs, don’t you think that they would have used them when they were being attacked? And, if they weren’t prepared to use them while their regime was falling, do you really think that they were a major threat? But, all logic has flown out the window with the distribution of propaganda from the radical right. And they like it that way.
So, in the latest deception the religious right has determined that liberals have decided to do away with Christmas. However, the catch-22 is that George W Bush sent out invitations to a “Holiday” celebration at the White House. Shouldn’t the leaders of Right Wing American have planned this a little more carefully? And the deception continues.
Just for completion here is John Murtha's resolution courtesy of Daily kos:
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";
Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;
Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;
Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;
Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;
Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;
Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which
were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:
Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.
Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.
Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
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Comments
I have spoken to people who believe the Democrats are hiding all the evidence of WMD's; and if there were no more Democrats in America that truth would come out. These same people told me they would not allow their children to read Harry Potter or see any of the movies because they promoted Satanism. Their font of information for both ludicrous ideas? The minister of their evangelical church. Did they bother to look into any of this for themselves? No - because the minister was a 'Godly' man, and therefore unable to lie.
It is not possible to counter something like this. The truth will not be heard by these people, because they have closed their ears to it. I suggested to one of the women who said these things to me that she read Harry Potter for herself, and she was horrified. Doing that would be to repudiate God in some way, I gathered - it would mean she didn't believe the minister, and to her the minister WAS God.
Scary - isn't it?
Posted by: The Fat Lady Sings | Dec 7, 2005 12:07:16 AM
It is truly the fucktardation of America. Not enough people read multiple periodicals to form their own opinion. That is truly the problem, keep up the home schooling!!!! Soon on DVD!
Posted by: The Bastard | Dec 7, 2005 1:54:23 AM
You can drag a rightwing nut to the fountain of truth, but you can not make them drink :-(
Posted by: LiberPaul | Dec 7, 2005 7:39:46 AM
Yeesh, if the Karen Ingalls person thinks it was the Senate that voted against the faux Murtha resolution, she's gotta sign up for a civics refresher course!
Posted by: wkmaier | Dec 7, 2005 9:08:49 AM
Just a thought:
If you say,
"What frustrates me even more is how this same letter illustrates the propaganda from the Bush administration and the Republican Party has warped the minds of many otherwise reasonable people in our country. This is quite obvious but so many people continue to tout the Bush line."
then why, day in and day out on this blog are we shown polls of Bush's abysmal approval ratings, a story about a puppet master, or a graphical map like the one posted last week showing the approval colors of each state?
It's like on one hand you are all grateful of the polls and your "kicking of Republican ass" and then you write a post like this that shows your fear... fear of losing again!
Posted by: steve | Dec 7, 2005 9:51:56 AM
What a beautiful post.
I only wish that people like Bastard would stop using words like, "fucktardation of America" and then acuse others of being "trolls". I guess we should all try and not be as immature as TB and sharpen up our vocabulary considering he drops the "f" word in Posts and comments, in an attack mode, more often then anyone hear at BIO! Kind of interesting how TB can dish it out so often along with a few others here at BIO! but then get "offended" when it's done back to them.
Have fun preaching to the choir Bastard it's all you are capable of doing. You haven't done a thing for your country so why start now. Keep mother "f"ing the hell out of the government and anyone whom disagrees with you.
And if especially Cranky, Pia, Moxie, LiberPaul, Chris in Idaho and the rest here at BIO! think I'm a troll try looking in the mirror or at this site a little closer because the biggest "troll" here is TB with all his "sarcasim". How pathetic you can't take it from me but you allow him to spout more profanities then anyone else whom visits this site.
What do you call a spade?
Posted by: Treason | Dec 7, 2005 10:14:51 AM
Treason,
I do not like you but I do not care if you use profanity and I don't think I ever called you a troll either. At worst I think I called you an asshole and I know for fact I have referred to you as a Fascist. If the shoe fits.....wear it!
Posted by: LiberPaul | Dec 7, 2005 10:26:31 AM
Now back to the post, Steve, this is a group blog and not one of us represents the other so deal with it. That's what is called progressive. I don't agree with everything here and vice-versa. Does your hometown paper always have articles that agree with each other?
Treason,
Give proof, do your homework and stop distracting from the topic at hand. You seem to contribute nothing to the conversation because you never want to look at the topic at hand constrcutively. Instead you attack people by calling them stupid but don't back up your aqcusation because you feel you are smarter or something.
If you don't agree or don't have an argument of substance why even hang around? Seems to me that you just like the agony. Or you are a troll who can't find a hole to crawl into and argue with yourself.
And again it is not about arguing it is about constructively opposing someones viewpoint and offering up a legitimate argument other than "you're stupid, you lost, we won, see you in 2008" and by the way you are a fucktard!
Posted by: The Bastard | Dec 7, 2005 11:50:10 AM
Bastard,
I love the fucktard thing...you are the first person I have ever heard use this term. I have added it to my vocabulary...
Posted by: LiberPaul | Dec 7, 2005 1:22:11 PM
Strange how the comments can get so off topic, even when the topic seems to be fairly clear- namely, that people tend to take what is said loudest and most frequently as the truth, especially when it comes fromtheir own base of bias.
Sadly, this is one of the greatest problems in our country today. People have been conditioned to respond to sound bites and encouraged to take as gospel what their political-religious leaders spout. Even when the evidence points int he other direction. The politicians know this and exploit it to the largest extent possible. It comes from both sides, but currently the Republicans are doing it the most, probably because they are in power and are under attack.
No good can come from a government that lies, then expounds those lies into modern day truth. Worse is a citizenry that accepts the lies without taking even a small effort to learn the facts. In this case, the republican leaderships blatant attempt to paint democrats into a corner by offering an all or nothing resolution just to claim that they have congressional support for an unending war is beyond laughable.
Or at least it would be if it didn't look like it worked.
Posted by: ken grandlund | Dec 7, 2005 2:42:24 PM
Steve,
Even if 70% of Americans thought that the Bush administration continued to deceive us in various ways I am still puzzled by the remaining 30% who don't have a clue. Here at BIO we are joyous that a majority of Americans have finely seen the light, but like I said if 30% still believe in Bush's deception that number is too high. It isn't that we fear these people it is that we would like them to acknowledge the truth and go on from there.
Ken,
Thanks for the constructive comment. If Americans continue to argue with fictitious claims and evidence we will never make any progress. A good example of this is the 9/11 Commission report just released that tells us that very little is being done to make our country safer from terrorism. George W Bush talks a good game, but his leadership certainly isn’t helping to get anything done on this front that he pushed in the election as being his number one priority. In fact, the “loose nukes” issue that John Kerry brought up during the campaign still isn’t being addressed, the 9/11 Commission told us in that report. Bush can’t say that he didn’t know about it, because he said it was important during the debates. But, for a simple bribe to a guard in Siberia or some other lowly ex-Soviet republic a terrorist could purchase a tactical nuclear weapon and smuggle it into an American city. Bush told us during the debate that the problem should be fixed by 2010. But, can anyone really believe him?
Posted by: Dr. Forbush | Dec 7, 2005 3:19:52 PM
What a bizarre non-argument Treason makes, totally ignoring the actual post, of course. If that letter is not the perfect example of the common righty's lack of understanding of facts, I don't know what is. The problem is, if you try to correct an obvious wrong like this, a righty gets offended and thinks you are calling him/her stupid, which usually results in ad hominem attacks and general attacks on all liberals. No one ever listens or tries to comprehend.
Oh, and everyone is invited to the lion feeding on December 25, where us liberals who control the government are going to be feeding Christians to the lions. After all, Christians are being persecuted, aren't they?
Happy Holidays!
Posted by: Daedalus | Dec 7, 2005 3:49:52 PM
Dr. Fobush,
I apologize for commenting out of line as for my earlier comments were directed at an individual(s), not your well written article.
I just decided to address an issue that had been brought to my attention and your post was where I decided to comment.
Carry on with the discussion......
What a lovely day to be alive!!!!
Posted by: Treason | Dec 7, 2005 5:17:05 PM
Dr. Forbush:
Joyous majority? So you are saying you are happy that our president is "failing"? And 30% of the people have faith in a leader is too high? What should it be then Mr. Authoritarian?
Daedalus:
The word retard is wrongly used to describe someone that acts stupid when in fact they may be quite normal. Webster's describes a retard as the following:
"..less than normal intellectual competence usually characterized by an IQ of less than 70"
Then there is your last comment:
"Oh, and everyone is invited to the lion feeding on December 25, where us liberals who control the government are going to be feeding Christians to the lions. After all, Christians are being persecuted, aren't they?"
You sir, are a retard!
Posted by: steve | Dec 7, 2005 6:18:28 PM
Steve,
You seem to learn from the master of deception himself. Obviously I already knew that George W Bush was a failure in 2000 when he was running for office. This was obvious to anyone that would spend the time to look at his business record. However, I am joyful that the rest of the people in this country are finally coming to realization that he is a failure. Coming to the realization is the first step in fixing the problem. People who ignore a problem can never even know that they should fix it. The next opportunity to fix the problem would be November 2006 when the people can vote the Republicans out of congress. Who knows how much damage will be done before then, but I pray it isn't much...
Posted by: Dr. Forbush | Dec 7, 2005 7:19:50 PM
As I get older, I'm finding I'm reconnecting with my inner child. Or, at least the part of it that constantly questions: "Why?"
Why is that?
Why do you think that?
How do you know?
Can you back that up?
Thinking is good. Everybody should give it a whirl. Think, then VOTE.
Posted by: Jet | Dec 7, 2005 7:42:38 PM
Dr. Forbush:
That is the exact problem with you Democrats: ASSUMPTIONS!!! You make hundreds of assumptions about people you meet, politics, what Republicans are doing, etc all in the name of your elitist form of politics. You all said the same exact things in November of 2004, what happened then? Hmm? You lost. Why can't you get that? That's not deception I am talking about, it's your illusions that are the problem.
Posted by: steve | Dec 7, 2005 8:23:00 PM
I mean seriously look at you. You call me brain washed.
Look at what Howard Dean is saying!
You guys like you are copyinglearning from your master, howard there...
Posted by: steve | Dec 7, 2005 8:34:30 PM
Steve,
The absince of leadership does not mean you go with the bully in the playground. I fault the democrats for not having a clear cut plan but then again nothing is cut and dry in the world we live in but that does not mean you totally accept a clear cut message even if it is wrong.
Wake up man, just because Bush and the Republican party have a unified message does not make it right it makes them well trained puppets.
Democrats have a hard time coming to a unified message because they represent a bigger swatch of America than the Republikkkan party.
Posted by: The Bastard | Dec 7, 2005 8:42:55 PM
What am I assuming? I was writing about all the failed businesses that Bush was involved in. Tell me what person would hire a guy without connections and George W Bush's history to run a company let alone run the country? He got the money to run because of who he was, the son of a wealthy ex-president, not because of what he had done. He got so many donations because of his connections no other Republican could challange him, and when John McCain was making headway on substance issues, the money was spent to smear John McCain.
Where are the assumptions? These are the facts.
Posted by: Dr. Forbush | Dec 7, 2005 8:47:09 PM
Dr. Forbush, cry me a river. Kind of sounds like you are writing about John Hinze Kerry if you ask me.
Doesn't matter how the man G.W.B got elected...he DID! And whether it's Republican or Democrat it's all about the money, who you know and how one connects with the public. Shit, just look at my state and who they elected for Govenor? Jesse Ventura!
Posted by: Treason | Dec 9, 2005 7:06:42 PM
Treason,
If you haven't heard yet, Jesse Ventura isn't governor of Minnesota any more.
However, it seems that you are missing the point. Do you want a government run by incompetents like George W Bush, Jesse Ventura or Arnold Schwarzenagger. Or do you want a government run by people who actually think about the issues and problems? Our current system doesn't give us people who think about the issues. Unfortunately I don't know the best solution, but not questioning your leaders certainly isn't moving in the right direction.
Posted by: Dr. Forbush | Dec 9, 2005 7:35:51 PM
Hmmm... I'd like to hear Forbush's reasons for Schwarzenegger being incompetent?
We vote a guy in to make changes, he proposes changes and lets us actually vote for a change; we tell him no. How the fuck is that incompetent? Because he tried? He put some serious thought into change from where I am sitting, which is roughly a mile from his office.
Let's see Ventura was an outsider, an independent, he couldn't be bought. So he looks incompetent when he can't pass anything through the two party system? How fucked up is that? Actually let's hear your reasons for Ventura being incompetent as well. That should be funny actually. Go on... we're listening!
Posted by: steve | Dec 9, 2005 7:48:45 PM
Ventura is imcompetant because he never mastered the figure 4 leg lock! It ruined his entire wrestling career if you ask me!
Posted by: The Bastard | Dec 9, 2005 8:11:43 PM
Just the other day I was wondering what would happen today if there was a wrestler named the Iron Sheik.
Posted by: steve | Dec 9, 2005 8:18:28 PM